Consevative or Liberal?

[MagisterCultuum]

I generally consider my self liberal, but really don't like how the term is now used to refer to progressives and my positions are much more likely to be called conservative by other Americans. I have generally Libertarian/'Conservative'' views, although I favor higher taxes targeted specifically at minimizing externalities (like pollution) and despise Classical Conservatism and Rule Utilitarianism.


Economic Left/Right~ 0.5 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian ~ -2.5 comes up as Centrist, but I don't like being called that as it seems to imply a compromise between different wrong positions rather than a principled stand. I'd rather be called reactionary. There has never been a time when any government operated by rules I like and I don't want to go back to the way things ever were, but I do think a lot of changes in the past century or two should never have happened.

 

[Zelig]

Why are so many liberals in denial?

Possibly because because the majority of OT is not American, where liberalism does not equate to left-wing.

 

[Cutlass]

Funny that that this topic came up, because look what theyre speaking at the RP forums: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=198612

So a forum dedicated to ultra radical extremists likes ultra radical extremists more than it does moderates. In other news, water is wet.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Do I deny I am a reactionary as defined by your link..... no, at least fiscally I am.

Well, there you go. I was right all along, and you have been whining about my supposed incorrect use of it for no apparent reason. Big surprise, huh?

But if a guy like me is running the show wouldn't that make you "reactionary" to me?

I see you still don't know what the term means though. No, I didn't become reactionary "when a guy like you" became president. Far from it. You see, it's not a relative gauge. You can say someone is more left or right than someone else, but the term 'reactionary' means that your views are farther to the right than most other conservatives. So it is indeed true that virtually everybody else is going to be more liberal than you, but that doesn't make them liberals. For example, take most Republicans.

But You're a centrist?

Actually, I'm a slight conservative according to the last time I took the political compass test, which is clearly much more accurate than your own perceptions about me.

Why are so many liberals in denial?

The way you toss that word around, you obviously don't know what that means either. Once again, it doesn't mean everybody who disagrees with you, which is how you use it.

I don't need to take some dumbass political compass test to know where I stand, thank you very much.

I think you completely miss the point. It is an attempt to quantify how far right or left you happen to be. And we haven't even discussed the other element of the test: How authoritarian you might happen to be. But don't worry. It's not pass/fail test...

On top of that, I'm at least honest enough with myself to realize I lean heavily to the right.

Again, no surprise to anybody who has read even a single post of yours. I just can't figure out why you complain about it so much when I obviously properly labeled your opinions.

So I'm at least more grounded in reality than you.

By claiming everybody who disagrees with you is a liberal?

 

[Angst]

Gtfo American poll.

I Chose Howses

 

[Phlegmak]

By claiming everybody who disagrees with you is a liberal?

Don't you claim that everyone who disagrees with you is a "reactionary", whatever that is?

 

[Stewie0416]

Nobody is COMPLETELY conservative or liberal unless your a politician. I'm a moderate leaning left, but I think politics, in the end, always ends up being a sex scandal...

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Nobody is COMPLETELY conservative or liberal unless your a politician.I'm a moderate leaning left, but I think politics, in the end, always ends up being a sex scandal...

Lolwut? Explain.

And your political compass says otherwise.

 

[Bill3000]

Economic Left/Right~ 0.5 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian ~ -2.5 comes up as Centrist

You're reading the political compass wrong. There's no "centrism" (and that's center-left within an American discourse)

 

[REDY]

I have thought that reactionary is term by communists for sentenced communists

 

[Huayna Capac357]

No, it should be looked at like this:

THIS IS A GENERAL SUMMARY AND NOTHING MORE PLEASE DON'T FLAME
Left- for means of production in hands of people, in varying degrees.
Right- for means of production in hands of corporations and companies, in varying degrees.
Up- More social restrictions, less democracy, in varying degrees
Down- Fewer social restrictions, more anarchy, in varying degrees.

 

[holy king]

I've just been wondering how many people are conservative and how many are liberal.
(I'm liberal)


(When I mean conservative and liberal, I mean in the U.S. definition, as liberal being a Democrat, and conservative being a Republican, though thats not always the case.)

i'm so far to the left of both that "radical left" doesnt quite describe it in that reference system.

 

[holy king]

Nobody is COMPLETELY conservative or liberal unless your a politician. I'm a moderate leaning left, but I think politics, in the end, always ends up being a sex scandal...

you see, there's the reason you're not allowed to vote yet.