Corporal Punishment

[Lone Wolf]

A man that wasn't slapped as a child is not a real man. Real men are hardened since childhood by the punitive, yet necessary, father's belt.

 

[CurtSibling]

Spanking is no quick fix for bad parenting.

I do not overly approve of hitting fellow humans, but as I get older I start to realise that when in earlier eras, teachers and cops could be
expected to hand out sharp cracks around the ear of the worst ruffians, it did garner far more respect for both these icons of ordered society.

We have let things get too far out of hand these days, and I am not sure if the negative trends in our civilisation can be corrected now...

 

[bhsup]

I see no problem with spanking whatsoever, at least until puberty when it may take on ominous sexual complications.

When I was a child, I certainly deserved it numerous times. And I felt no hostility whatsoever when it was warranted, which it almost always was in my particular case. My parents were quite careful to almost never punish me when they felt anger towards me. They sent me to my room until they could regain their composure.

Slapping is a different story. I was never slapped and I'm very glad I wasn't. That sounds more like an adult losing their temper instead of an acceptable form of remedial punishment. It reminds me of the stories of "penguins" hitting the hands of recalcitrant Catholic students with their rulers.

We don't always agree, but spot on here, Forma!

I did once get slapped, though, and I definitely deserved it. Unruly teen backtalking my mom and finally said "shut up you old hag" and *BAM*, just instinctive on her part. Within minutes, she was crying and I was trying to tell her it was okay, I deserved it. Never talked to her like that again, btw Hurt like a MOTHER though! Backhanded with knuckles leaving little white marks surrounded by red.

P.S. - Bad Parenting? Hardly. Even the good book says spare the rod, spoil the child.

 

[Japanrocks12]

I don''t think hitting children constitutes "bad parenting," but I do think that it's a primitive and limited method of getting kids in line.

Oh wait, I lied. I think that hitting kids, no matter which culture it is seen as acceptable and commonplace, is one of those things that holds humanity back. Any time a parent is placed in a situation where the options are:

a) hit your kids to make them listen to you
b) yell so loudly that it ruptures their eardrums

You have made some kind of mistake. It's your fault as a parent if your kid gets to the point where he is openly defiant and has to be broken like some sort of pack animal. Almost no kid becomes deviant overnight.

 

[aelf]

I don''t think hitting children constitutes "bad parenting," but I do think that it's a primitive and limited method of getting kids in line.

Oh wait, I lied. I think that hitting kids, no matter which culture it is seen as acceptable and commonplace, is one of those things that holds humanity back. Any time a parent is placed in a situation where the options are:

a) hit your kids to make them listen to you
b) yell so loudly that it ruptures their eardrums

You have made some kind of mistake. It's your fault as a parent if your kid gets to the point where he is openly defiant and has to be broken like some sort of pack animal. Almost no kid becomes deviant overnight.

Then most parents shouldn't be parents. If the choice is between having corporal punishment (within reasonable limits) as a fact of life in families with children or only allowing people who are good enough not to have to use it to be parents, I'd take the latter. Otherwise, barring abusive behaviour, many parents just have to spank their kids to prevent them from turning into insufferable brats.

 

[W|M]

I don''t think hitting children constitutes "bad parenting," but I do think that it's a primitive and limited method of getting kids in line.

Oh wait, I lied. I think that hitting kids, no matter which culture it is seen as acceptable and commonplace, is one of those things that holds humanity back. Any time a parent is placed in a situation where the options are:

a) hit your kids to make them listen to you
b) yell so loudly that it ruptures their eardrums

You have made some kind of mistake. It's your fault as a parent if your kid gets to the point where he is openly defiant and has to be broken like some sort of pack animal. Almost no kid becomes deviant overnight.

I strongly agree with this post.

Then most parents shouldn't be parents.

Exactly, there's already an overpopulation problem.

 

[GhostWriter16]

you dont "slap" your kids. end of.

Ummm... People do it, whether its out of anger or whatever. I don't think many people "Support" it, but people lose their tempers.

Corporal punishment is ridiculous.

Not really.

I think necro'ing of old threads deserves corporal punishment.

I think only capital punishment should be administered at schools.

Corporal Punishment.

Nobody is arguing for the execution of kids here.

Mad Man was

But I am

I don''t think hitting children constitutes "bad parenting," but I do think that it's a primitive and limited method of getting kids in line.

Oh wait, I lied. I think that hitting kids, no matter which culture it is seen as acceptable and commonplace, is one of those things that holds humanity back. Any time a parent is placed in a situation where the options are:

a) hit your kids to make them listen to you
b) yell so loudly that it ruptures their eardrums

You have made some kind of mistake. It's your fault as a parent if your kid gets to the point where he is openly defiant and has to be broken like some sort of pack animal. Almost no kid becomes deviant overnight.

Not necessarily. The kid has free will.

BTW: I support spanking by parents, oppose it by schools, and STRONGLY oppose corporal punishment being used by the "Government."

 

[Ajidica]

and STRONGLY oppose corporal punishment being used by the "Government."

So spanking no, execution yes?

 

[choxorn]

Ah, but of course. We can kill people, but not hurt them. This is why cops should always use deadly force rather than just beating people a bit, you know?

 

[GhostWriter16]

So spanking no, execution yes?

Meh, if you do a crime bad enough; murder or rape, I wouldn't feel bad for you, but then you get execution.

If we allow it for more minor crimes, it will be abused and will be used too often.

 

[Traitorfish]

Any time a parent is placed in a situation where the options are:

a) hit your kids to make them listen to you
b) yell so loudly that it ruptures their eardrums

You have made some kind of mistake.

About nine months before the sprog was born, yes.


Anyway, I don't really think much of any institutionalised corporal punishment, but sometimes kids just need a skelping. You can't rely on it to educate them, and it really doesn't do any good past the age of maybe 8 or 9, but sometimes the little buggers need a short, sharp lesson in cause and effect, and if that's what it takes, than that's what they get.

 

[duckstab]

If you've spanked your kids on occasion, as I'm ashamed to admit I have, grow up. Deal with your anger issues and work on your parenting skills. Violence and love do not mix. It's understandable because kids will push you to your limit sometimes. Understandable, but never justified.

If your parenting philosophy holds that spanking is acceptable, please fix that before you reproduce.

 

[Smellincoffee]

My parents whipped me on several occasions: it never taught me that what I did was wrong, only that they didn't understand my reasons for acting as I did. I learned contempt for authority, but that was about it.

 

[Mad Man]

So spanking no, execution yes?

Don't write off executions just yet, just think of the limitless potential. If we star executing students with the lowest overall grade averages (preferably by sawing), we could see a dramatic increase in test scores by 90%, which will then lead to increased government spending(we'll need to hire someone to carve up the teenagers after all) which it self will lead to new programs (Student discounts on life insurance yeaah) ,parents with obnoxious kids will have lees moths to feed so they now have more money, we can also finally do away with silly things like special education and stupid programs that reward children for behaving(YOUR REWARD IS YOU GET TO LIVE MOFO). Lets above all else not forget that class sizes will also decrease to more manageable sizes after the introduction of capital punishment in our school systems.

 

[GhostWriter16]

@Mad Man- This is February's Quote of the month....

 

[Tee Kay]

Wow, Mad Man, you've almost convinced me there.

 

[GhostWriter16]

he's not serious...

 

[Tee Kay]

Oh, but I am.

 

[timtofly]

Don't write off executions just yet, just think of the limitless potential. If we star executing students with the lowest overall grade averages (preferably by sawing), we could see a dramatic increase in test scores by 90%, which will then lead to increased government spending(we'll need to hire someone to carve up the teenagers after all) which it self will lead to new programs (Student discounts on life insurance yeaah) ,parents with obnoxious kids will have lees moths to feed so they now have more money, we can also finally do away with silly things like special education and stupid programs that reward children for behaving(YOUR REWARD IS YOU GET TO LIVE MOFO). Lets above all else not forget that class sizes will also decrease to more manageable sizes after the introduction of capital punishment in our school systems.

I thought that was what pro-choice was for... Are we moving to the next stage?

However, this thread is still about Corporal Punishment. I still think there should be a seperation of Fed and State. The Fed should be downsized and let local institutions be in control of their own neighborhoods. Having a central government making laws across the board is more totalitarian than democratic. Letting the local government adjust to the local geographic just makes more sense. Corporal punishment handled in love and not anger does work. The child needs to understand the cause and effect. Just hitting or spanking out of anger does more damage than the crime did. I would say in local settings where the parents can not be as involved, neither should corporal punishment. In rural areas where parents have the opportunity to be involved, as long as the parents have the final say and the child knows that the teacher and parent are on the same page, then corporal punishment would be ok, because the child knows that they cannot play the teacher against the parent. Also the teacher must understand that it is not done out of anger. There could also be the understanding that punishment may be waiting at home when it can be done without any anger involved. I do not think that a school should replace the authority of the parent, but work in cooporation with parental authority. Unfortionatley schools have become the parents of children.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Timtofly- I think your post just convinced me....