Crossroads of the World and Right to Rule DLC - themed predictions based on what we know

Then what's the Wonder Pack that's mentioned in the graphic?
It's 4 Natural Wonders

CROSSROADS OF THE WORLD COLLECTION

Explore new possibilities for your personalized empire with post-launch add-on content, including 2 new leaders, 4 new civilizations, 4 new Natural Wonders, a special cosmetic bonus, and more! Full details will be revealed at a later date.

RIGHT TO RULE COLLECTION

Explore new possibilities for your personalized empire with even more post-launch add-on content, including 2 new leaders, 4 new civilizations, 4 new wonders, a special cosmetic bonus, and more! Full details will be revealed at a later date.

From https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/buy/
 
And more than that (because one could argue that maybe the natural part was wrong when we have two conflicting information), people asked here and firaxis staff confirmed the correct one is crossroads having 4 natural ones.

Yeah I remember someone from Firaxis confirming that it’s natural wonders for the 1st pack and world wonders for the 2nd.
 
Alright, I'm going to give this a shot:

Crossroads of the World

Leaders:
Zenobia
Timur

Civs:
Sumerians (Ancient)
Saka (Ancient)
Timurids (Exploration)
Ottomans (Modern)

Didn't they say that the 4 civs in Crossroads already has an associated wonder in the base game?

From Civ VII wiki these are the only wonders in the base game without an associated wonder:

Antiquity:

Colossus
Dur-Sharrukin
Emile Bell
Haamonga a Maui
Hanging Gardens
Mausoleum of Theodoric
Nalanda
Petra
Pyramid of the Sun
Terracotta Army

Exploration:

Shwedagon Zedi
Notre Dame

Modern:

Red Fort
Oxford University

So I don't see how Ottomans can be a modern civ in Crossroads? Or am I missing something?
 
Didn't they say that the 4 civs in Crossroads already has an associated wonder in the base game?

From Civ VII wiki these are the only wonders in the base game without an associated wonder:

Antiquity:

Colossus
Dur-Sharrukin
Emile Bell
Haamonga a Maui
Hanging Gardens
Mausoleum of Theodoric
Nalanda
Petra
Pyramid of the Sun
Terracotta Army

Exploration:

Shwedagon Zedi
Notre Dame

Modern:

Red Fort
Oxford University

So I don't see how Ottomans can be a modern civ in Crossroads? Or am I missing something?
they could maybe not have a wonder until right to rule, or they could borrow an untied one, or a related wonder hasn’t been released yet, or the wonders that they talk about in the packs only count non-civ wonders
 
they could maybe not have a wonder until right to rule, or they could borrow an untied one, or a related wonder hasn’t been released yet, or the wonders that they talk about in the packs only count non-civ wonders

Maybe. Then why even say that in the beginning lol
 
And in fact if they go about doing things sneakily like that, that will make me want to buy the game less. Because it's on the pretense that you're getting people to pre-order with the known wonders in the game and saying there's a civ around the corner for that wonder and then bang surprise, no it's not that, it's going to be the Hagia Sophia with the Ottomans - you never saw that coming but you don't get what you want. So yeah no. That's why I'm not pre-ordering.
 
And in fact if they go about doing things sneakily like that, that will make me want to buy the game less. Because it's on the pretense that you're getting people to pre-order with the known wonders in the game and saying there's a civ around the corner for that wonder and then bang surprise, no it's not that, it's going to be the Hagia Sophia with the Ottomans - you never saw that coming but you don't get what you want. So yeah no. That's why I'm not pre-ordering.
Presumably they will reveal what is in them before release, so they won’t be fooling anyone that waits until they know what those 8 civs and 4 leaders are.
 
personally, I’m not expecting a reveal until up to a month before the dlc release, so I guess the reveal will depend when in march it comes out.
 
Presumably they will reveal what is in them before release, so they won’t be fooling anyone that waits until they know what those 8 civs and 4 leaders are.

That's fine. Like I said there is no need for me to pre-order or buy until I see what I want to see.
 
personally, I’m not expecting a reveal until up to a month before the dlc release, so I guess the reveal will depend when in march it comes out.
I would expect at least that the identity of the civs/leaders would be revealed before base game release (not a game guide but just a name)
 
Alright, I'm going to give this a shot:

Crossroads of the World

Leaders:
Zenobia
Timur

Civs:
Sumerians (Ancient)
Saka (Ancient)
Timurids (Exploration)
Ottomans (Modern)

Right to Rule:

Leaders:
Nezahualcoyotl
Kamehameha I

Civs:
Tui Tonga (Ancient)
Aztec Triple Alliance (Exploration)
Asante (Modern)
Britain (Modern)

I was originally going to give into fandom pressure and have an English leader in Right to Rule, but to be honest, I'd much rather have a non-monarch leader connected to England. Too many fantastic possibilities to choose from with the new system that previously could only be great people - William Shakespeare, Mary Wollstonecraft, Horatio Nelson, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Jane Austen, Lord Byron, Ada Lovelace. I'd rather any of those than another Tudor stock character.

edit: also I didn't realise this was my first post here! The civ 7 anticipation is real.

God I would love to play as Nelson.

If I have to wait that long (second expansion) for a British isle civ I will almost certainly have moved on and stopped reading about it to be honest
 
God I would love to play as Nelson.

If I have to wait that long (second expansion) for a British isle civ I will almost certainly have moved on and stopped reading about it to be honest
Of the wonders that presumably have to be used for the 4 civs in the first DLC (since it doesn't add any new wonders), only one is really usable for a Modern civ, and that's Oxford. So I think it's very likely that we see Britain in the first DLC. (It's really the only guess that seems extremely likely.)
  • Hanging Gardens (Babylon)
  • Colossus (Rhodes)
  • Pyramid of the Sun (Teotihuacan) [IP]
  • Emile Bell (Silla Korea) [IP]
  • Ha'amonga'a Maui (Tonga)
  • Nalanda (Gupta India)
  • Terracotta Army (Qin China)
  • Petra (Nabateans)
  • Mausoleum Theodoric (Ostrogoths) [IP]
  • Shwedagon Zedi Daw (Burma)
  • Notre Dame (Medieval France)
  • Oxford University (Britain)
 
Of the wonders that presumably have to be used for the 4 civs in the first DLC (since it doesn't add any new wonders), only one is really usable for a Modern civ, and that's Oxford. So I think it's very likely that we see Britain in the first DLC. (It's really the only guess that seems extremely likely.)
  • Hanging Gardens (Babylon)
  • Colossus (Rhodes)
  • Pyramid of the Sun (Teotihuacan) [IP]
  • Emile Bell (Silla Korea) [IP]
  • Ha'amonga'a Maui (Tonga)
  • Nalanda (Gupta India)
  • Terracotta Army (Qin China)
  • Petra (Nabateans)
  • Mausoleum Theodoric (Ostrogoths) [IP]
  • Shwedagon Zedi Daw (Burma)
  • Notre Dame (Medieval France)
  • Oxford University (Britain)
There are also wonders which is very unlikely to have planned civilization. Colossus, Nalanda, Terracota Army and Notre Dam match already existing civilizations (sometimes in different ages). Pyramid of the Sun and Emile Bell correspond to civilization which are unlikely to appear in antiquity. So, the list shrinks to 6 wonders. So, I'd say Babylon, Goths, Burma and Britain all have really high chances to appear.
 
There are also wonders which is very unlikely to have planned civilization. Colossus, Nalanda, Terracota Army and Notre Dam match already existing civilizations (sometimes in different ages). Pyramid of the Sun and Emile Bell correspond to civilization which are unlikely to appear in antiquity. So, the list shrinks to 6 wonders. So, I'd say Babylon, Goths, Burma and Britain all have really high chances to appear.
Nalanda? Why would Gupta be unlikely? They will most likely expand the Indian path in the future and I think Gupta is quite likely to appear at some point. The Pyramid of the Sun is a Teotihuacan wonder, and would certainly appear in Antiquity. Same as Silla Korea.
 
Nalanda? Why would Gupta be unlikely? They will most likely expand the Indian path in the future and I think Gupta is quite likely to appear at some point. The Pyramid of the Sun is a Teotihuacan wonder, and would certainly appear in Antiquity. Same as Silla Korea.
Gupta is unlikely, because we have some India in all 3 ages already. I doubt we'll have another Indian civ till the end of the game lifecycle
 
Gupta is unlikely, because we have some India in all 3 ages already. I doubt we'll have another Indian civ till the end of the game lifecycle
Perhaps not now, but I believe the Indian path will expand in the future. However, I agree that Burma is more likely at the moment than Gupta.

By the way, I personally don’t believe Babylon is coming now, as the inclusion of the Hanging Gardens (which, by the way, is debatable whether it was even a Babylon wonder) means nothing since this wonder has been a staple of the series for a long time. If we are getting someone from Mesopotamia, it will almost certainly be Assyria, which debuted in Civ5, was absent in Civ6, and now is likely to make its return. Babylon will surely be in the game, but not now, and it’s quite possible that its associated wonder won’t even be the Hanging Gardens.
 
I think the DLCs will just flesh out civs that don't have a full historical path, Inca, Maya, Hawaii, Shawnee. At least that should be the focus, why add a new germanic civ tree when the Mesoamerican Mayans have to pick an Andean civ from a different continent and vice versa. Or Hawai'i which is so far the only Oceanic civ in the entire game.
 
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