Crossroads of the World and Right to Rule DLC - themed predictions based on what we know

While we’re at it, I’ll put in my predictions for the DLCs

Crossroads:

Civs:
Ottomans (Modern): Militaristic/Cultural
Assyria (Antiquity): Scientific/Expansionist
Amazigh (Exploration): Cultural/Economic
Seljuks (Exploration): Expansionist/Cultural

Leaders:
Mehmed II (Militaristic/Expansionist)
Zenobia (Diplomatic/Scientific)

Right to Rule:

Civs:
Bretons (Antiquity): Economic/Cultural
Aztecs (Exploration): Cultural/Militaristic
Edo Japan (Exploration): Economic/Diplomatic
United Kingdom (Modern): Expansionist/Scientific

Leaders:
James VI and I (Cultural/Diplomatic)
Akbar the Great (Scientific/Cultural)
 
They went on the record that say that the placement of Civs isn't strictly restricted by our timeline but more the "evolution" of their individual stages. So Khmer are an Antiquity because they were just forming or something along those lines.
yes and this is very true (and explains why Shawnee is in Exploration, even if i don’t think it makes sense still), but the timeframes obviously also still matter.

Even so, I think Modern makes more sense for Ottomans regardless
 
They went on the record that say that the placement of Civs isn't strictly restricted by our timeline but more the "evolution" of their individual stages. So Khmer are an Antiquity because they were just forming or something along those lines.
So does it means for Nordic-Russian evolutions, Vikings will be in the First Age?
 
Which would still fit the Ottomans as the last major caliphate in the Modern, succeeding the Abbasids.
And if Janissaries will be UU. do you think is it acceptable for them to survive past 1826 which is historically no. since IRL they were outclassed by any European regular footsloggers by 18h Century already. historical incident that forced Ottomans to do military reform.. and Janissaries resisted to the end.
 
While we’re at it, I’ll put in my predictions for the DLCs


Right to Rule:

Civs:
Bretons (Antiquity): Economic/Cultural
Aztecs (Exploration): Cultural/Militaristic
Edo Japan (Exploration): Economic/Diplomatic
United Kingdom (Modern): Expansionist/Scientific

Leaders:
James VI and I (Cultural/Diplomatic)
Akbar the Great (Scientific/Cultural)
And why Edo in Age II?
Why not just 'Shogunate'?
 
Crossroads:

Civs:
Ottomans (Modern): Militaristic/Cultural
Assyria (Antiquity): Scientific/Expansionist
Amazigh (Exploration): Cultural/Economic
Seljuks (Exploration): Expansionist/Cultural
Crossroads isn't coming with any new world wonders. That means only Assyria out of this list will probably be in because of Dur-Sharrukin already being in the game.
United Kingdom (Modern): Expansionist/Scientific
I assume they will just be called the British.
So does it means for Nordic-Russian evolutions, Vikings will be in the First Age?
Hopefully it means Antiquity Norse.
And if Janissaries will be UU. do you think is it acceptable for them to survive past 1826 which is historically no. since IRL they were outclassed by any European regular footsloggers by 18h Century already. historical incident that forced Ottomans to do military reform.. and Janissaries resisted to the end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam-i_Djedid_Army
According to wikipedia, so I guess take that with a grain of salt, the Nizam army actually was disbanded in 1807 before the Janissaries. Due to circumstances all the infantry forces were still referred as Nizam though.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam-i_Djedid_Army
According to wikipedia, so I guess take that with a grain of salt, the Nizam army actually was disbanded in 1807 before the Janissaries. Due to circumstances all the infantry forces were still referred as Nizam though.
There were political wranglings between Janissary. (which by its final years, became political institution), and Imperial Military Reformists (and especially with the Emperor sided or initiated the reforms).
First, Janissary faction won, but later lost in the end. totally purged.
An irony is that both 'Janissary' and 'Nizam I Cedit' means 'New Army'. 'New' as per defitions of the respective organization's foundings. and both were made with political wranglings in a mix. in addition of winning wars against various foreigners.
 
And why Edo in Age II?
Why not just 'Shogunate'?
the different shogunate eras span literal hundreds of years and are marked by vastly different political and cultural contexts. the one that fits the ethos and time frame of the exploration era the best would be the Edo Period
 
There were political wranglings between Janissary. (which by its final years, became political institution), and Imperial Military Reformists (and especially with the Emperor sided or initiated the reforms).
First, Janissary faction won, but later lost in the end. totally purged.
An irony is that both 'Janissary' and 'Nizam I Cedit' means 'New Army'. 'New' as per defitions of the respective organization's foundings. and both were made with political wranglings in a mix. in addition of winning wars against various foreigners.
At this point I'd expect the Ottomans to get a unique infantry unit. Whether it's called Janissary or Nazim I feel like it's a moot point. Janissary is more iconic while the Nazim might be more accurate, so either name fits.
the different shogunate eras span literal hundreds of years and are marked by vastly different political and cultural contexts. the one that fits the ethos and time frame of the exploration era the best would be the Edo Period
I think there's a slight possibility they could just go for the name Shogunate Japan, if they wanted to encompass attributes all of them, and then make Antiquity Japan everything pre-shogun. But if they do go for a specific one than Edo Japan does make the most sense.
 
the different shogunate eras span literal hundreds of years and are marked by vastly different political and cultural contexts. the one that fits the ethos and time frame of the exploration era the best would be the Edo Period
Nah.
Edo itself is when Shogonate began to decline. a slow decline.
and just 'Shogunate' lasts for an entirety of Age II. 'From beginning to Madatory end'. This covers both Viceroy Hojo Tokumune (he didn't use title 'Shogun', back then no one uses this title yet, and it was also the time consonant kana 'n' (ん, ン) didn't invented yet..)
 
Nah.
Edo itself is when Shogonate began to decline. a slow decline.
and just 'Shogunate' lasts for an entirety of Age II. 'From beginning to Madatory end'. This covers both Viceroy Hojo Tokumune (he didn't use title 'Shogun', back then no one uses this title yet, and it was also the time consonant kana 'n' (ん, ン) didn't invented yet..)
I’m not a Japanese historian by any means, so feel free to correct me, but my understanding is that this claim basically would assume that the shogunate was one continuous thing.

I’m pretty certain that’s an incorrect understanding of Japanese history—the shogunate was an office which was occupied for 800 years or so, across multiple periods (Kamakura, Muromachi, Azuchi-Momoyama, Edo)—of which 250 were under the Edo Period. The Shogunate didn’t decline across the totality of the Edo period, it only declined towards the end of it, and the early to mid Tokugawa shogunate represented a time of stability.

obviously towards the 1800s, the Tokugawa shogunate began to struggle, but that would make sense and even fit the thematic structure of the eras (since that would be towards the time of the Meiji restoration, and Meiji Japan is a Era III civ already)

The Shogunate was an office, but no more so than say, the emperor of China. You wouldn’t call all of China “Imperial China” or say that the Qing don’t deserve to be marked as a civ because it was the period where the emperor’s office declined. Japanese periods are more like the periods of China/India where the only things that are common is the fact that there was a shogun—and even this wasn’t always true in those 800 years. The Edo period is also arguably where the shogun was the strongest as an individual.

Decline is often a part of eras, but just because an era did decline doesn’t mean that the whole era is undeserving of recognition for its notable accomplishments.



think there's a slight possibility they could just go for the name Shogunate Japan, if they wanted to encompass attributes all of them, and then make Antiquity Japan everything pre-shogun. But if they do go for a specific one than Edo Japan does make the most sense
the only reason i doubt they will is because they chose Meiji Japan over a generic Japan. They could pick Heian or Kamakura Japan, but I think Heian period Japan thematically is more appropriate for Antiquity despite its time scale (by Khmer logic), and Edo Period Japan is more compelling than Kamakura Japan, though I wouldn’t have complaints either way.
 
the only reason i doubt they will is because they chose Meiji Japan over a generic Japan. They could pick Heian or Kamakura Japan, but I think Heian period Japan thematically is more appropriate for Antiquity despite its time scale (by Khmer logic), and Edo Period Japan is more compelling than Kamakura Japan, though I wouldn’t have complaints either way.
I agree with Heian Japan for Antiquity. As for the Modern Age they seem to be trying to avoid as much contemporary names as they can, so Meiji Japan is the most accurate name.
I do agree that calling it Edo Japan would make more sense than having a broad Shogunate Japan, but I don't claim to know what the devs are thinking. I mean they gave us the Normans instead of a proper England, so who knows? :dunno:
Either way I'm 99.9% sure we'll get some form of Exploration Age Japan with Samurai. :)
 
I agree with Heian Japan for Antiquity. As for the Modern Age they seem to be trying to avoid as much contemporary names as they can, so Meiji Japan is the most accurate name.
I do agree that calling it Edo Japan would make more sense than having a broad Shogunate Japan, but I don't claim to know what the devs are thinking. I mean they gave us the Normans instead of a proper England, so who knows? :dunno:
Either way I'm 99.9% sure we'll get some form of Exploration Age Japan with Samurai. :)
they could’ve called it Imperial Japan, but that has very negative connotations that they understandably avoided
 
they could’ve called it Imperial Japan, but that has very negative connotations that they understandably avoided
The Meiji era Japan was the first half Imperial Japan, so it still fits the time period. I think we've seen screenshots of a Zero fighter anyways, so that could even be the UU.
 
The Meiji era Japan was the first half Imperial Japan, so it still fits the time period. I think we've seen screenshots of a Zero fighter anyways, so that could even be the UU.
It appears that planes or tanks are unlikely to be UU as currently UU seem to be available for the entire era which planes and tanks are not, which seems a little limiting tbh. Perhaps all Asian culture styled civs will have zeros, like we've seen Mexico have German airplanes
 
While we’re at it, I’ll put in my predictions for the DLCs

Crossroads:

Civs:
Ottomans (Modern): Militaristic/Cultural
Assyria (Antiquity): Scientific/Expansionist
Amazigh (Exploration): Cultural/Economic
Seljuks (Exploration): Expansionist/Cultural

Leaders:
Mehmed II (Militaristic/Expansionist)
Zenobia (Diplomatic/Scientific)

Right to Rule:

Civs:
Bretons (Antiquity): Economic/Cultural
Aztecs (Exploration): Cultural/Militaristic
Edo Japan (Exploration): Economic/Diplomatic
United Kingdom (Modern): Expansionist/Scientific

Leaders:
James VI and I (Cultural/Diplomatic)
Akbar the Great (Scientific/Cultural)
Since we start with 10 civs for antiquity and modern and 11 for exploration, I'm pretty sure we'll have 2 ant., 1 exp., 1 mod. in one and 1 ant. 1 exp., 2 mod. in another one, so we have 13 civs per age by the end of the cycle.

I think for Crossroads we could have pretty good guesses based on wonders. Britain (modern) is almost sure, Goths are very likely for antiquity and Babylon has high chances as well. Exploration is harder to guess, could be Burma.
 
Since we start with 10 civs for antiquity and modern and 11 for exploration, I'm pretty sure we'll have 2 ant., 1 exp., 1 mod. in one and 1 ant. 1 exp., 2 mod. in another one, so we have 13 civs per age by the end of the cycle.

I think for Crossroads we could have pretty good guesses based on wonders. Britain (modern) is almost sure, Goths are very likely for antiquity and Babylon has high chances as well. Exploration is harder to guess, could be Burma.
Could also be 3/0/1 and 0/2/2.

I am going for

Assyira, Goths, Silla, Britain and HRE, Byzantium, Ottomans, Brazil
 
Crossroads: Assyria, Goths, Burma, Britain

(Silla instead of Burma if no exploration, though Tonga seems equally needed)

Right: Gauls, Bohemia, Ottomans, Italy

(Though to fill out the spaces)

In the end, i hope for quick and steady drip of civ DLCs, since there's so many more missing.

As for leaders: Zenobia seems perfect for Crossroads (but Nabateans?), Karl Marx or Che Guevara would be cool in Right to Rule, and a Mongolian leader of course, cause how can you not ;-)). Gandhi might be kept for the Fourth age expansion.

Btw. They could also do a zero age expansion with the bronze age :)
 

Crossroads of the World​

Babylon or Assyria are guaranteed, they both have their wonders and fit the crossroad theme since Mesopotamia is a bridge between continents, but I doubt we'll get both at the same time.

Tonga make sense to me, the wonder is in the antiquity age and arguably Oceania is a crossroad of sort, and would allow the region to be represented for the age.

Burma also has the Shwedagon Pagoda in the exploration age, and the region is a crossroad between India, China, and the rest of Southeast Asia.

I don't know all the wonders for the modern age, but Britain does somewhat fit the theme by having an empire covering most of the globe.

Like many I think Zenobia makes a lot of sense, she couldn't really appear in previous games but with Civ 7 decoupling of leaders and civilizations she has a chance. As for the second leader, Queen Victoria would be nice to see again, Anawrahta or Bayinnaung would be great leaders for Burma and a welcome addition to the series, Kamehameha I would also be welcomed back.
 
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