Crossroads of the World and Right to Rule DLC - themed predictions based on what we know

[TheSpaceCowboy]

I don't think that implies anything of the sort. Modern Germany is called Prussia, probably because they wanted to focus on that area of the modern age, not necessarily because they plan on introducing another Germany.

Firaxis is inconsistent with their naming choices. I think it's easy to read too much into them.

I’d bet dollars or Deutschmarks that a fourth Age is introduced in the second expansion pack and that “Germany” proper is one of the fifteen civs in the fourth Age

 

[PorkBean]

I don't think that implies anything of the sort. Modern Germany is called Prussia, probably because they wanted to focus on that area of the modern age, not necessarily because they plan on introducing another Germany.

Firaxis is inconsistent with their naming choices. I think it's easy to read too much into them.

I think anything with an adjective or government type is getting additional civs in other ages, namely Meiji and French Empire. But very odd that Antiquity Persia is Persia instead of Achaemenid when they had a second Persia already cooking.

 

[AriochIV]

But very odd that Antiquity Persia is Persia instead of Achaemenid when they had a second Persia already cooking.

Precisely my point.

 

[lo24681]

I think anything with an adjective or government type is getting additional civs in other ages, namely Meiji and French Empire. But very odd that Antiquity Persia is Persia instead of Achaemenid when they had a second Persia already cooking.

I think its cause, for better or for worse, When the masses hear the word Persia they think of the Achaemenid period, rather than any other.

 

[Phrozen]

I was hoping for Oman.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

My bets:

Antiquity: Assyria, Silla and Carthage

Exploration: Bulgaria and Dai Viet

Modern: British, Nepal and Qajar

Counting Shawnee, we'd have 13 > 13 > 13 in the end.

Well, that's a lineup I never expected.

Nepal to me is the most surprising. Really thought Burma would have pulled through from that region of the world. I can potentially see Inca to Nepal probably going to be popular. Qajar over Safavids or Ottomans right now is really interesting.

I guess Greece could go into Russia through Bulgaria, instead of the Byzantines for now.

 

[Phrozen]

I’d bet dollars or Deutschmarks that a fourth Age is introduced in the second expansion pack and that “Germany” proper is one of the fifteen civs in the fourth Age

I mean there would be a lot of Cold War and post Cold War nations but that could run into some problems due to more current events like Communist China, Soviet Russia, Nasser's Egypt, Pinochet's Chile etc.

 

[8housesofelixir]

It's kind of strange that they didn't go for the Safavids, though. Could they be saving that for the Age of Exploration?

IIRC, people have seen Safavids as an Exploration Age IP. Not a direct confirmation per se, but an interesting implication nonetheless.

 

[Siptah]

Wow, that crosses off a lot of civs from my wishlist. Super excited to see Nepal make its civ debut. And for Bulgaria as well!

Glad to see Assyria, Carthage and Britain early on!

And Qajars… well, they are very welcome and, to me, point towards Safavids in Exploration. Iran is maybe aside from China the best spot for a stacked civ, so I‘m glad for that.

Not terribly excited by the leaders though. Genghis is always good to have, but the rest isn‘t thrilling for me.

 

[Uberfrog]

Haha this is mental! What a surprise to wake up to.

So Silla and Assyria are the only ones we got right from the wonders, and they aren’t even in Crossroads? Will the Crossroads civs not get new wonders?

Nepal and Bulgaria are very surprising to me, but not unwelcome. A modern Iran is long overdue, and Qajar fits that era better than Safavids. I think it’s very weird to add Bolívar without a single new South American civ. I still miss Aztecs and Tonga, and am disappointed to get no West African civ.

But I’m not unhappy with any of the choices, just surprised to see some of them in the first batch of DLC.

I guess we can finally put to rest the idea that Firaxis has any interest “filling in the gaps” .

Also I would never have predicted it, but Ada Lovelace with Britain is actually not surprising me at all.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Nepal to me is the most surprising. Really thought Burma would have pulled through from that region of the world.

If you believe Burma would make it, then I guess Dai Viet is the one taking its place, not Nepal, no?
Considering how many people want the inclusion of Tibet, I once thought that either Nepal or Bhutan was the closest thing we could get, and judging from importance throughout history, Bhutan is an isolationist tiny nation, so Nepal we got instead.

 

[Siptah]

If you believe Burma would make it, then I guess Dai Viet is the one taking its place, not Nepal, no?
Considering how many people want the inclusion of Tibet, I once thought that either Nepal or Bhutan was the closest thing we could get, and judging from importance throughout history, Bhutan is an isolationist tiny nation, so Nepal we got instead.

While this may be part of the reasoning, Nepal merits inclusion in its own right. It is a fairly unique multicultural and multireligious place with a long and interesting history (including being one of the few that never became a colony or protectorate in the modern age). Some areas are indeed very Tibetan, e.g., Mustang, but others are very different. North and South of the Himalaya main ridge have very different culture, history, people, climate and topography. That said: both civs would have mountains in their design for sure. I‘m very excited for it as I‘ve wished for Tibet and Nepal for a long time.

Completely unrelated: I’m happy to see once again that paths in any form don‘t seem to be the main concern for adding civs.

 

[Riconatic]

Very exited about non-political leaders like ada lovelace. Top notch decissions to separate leaders and broaden the scope.

 

[Siptah]

So:
Britain: British Museum

Carthage: Cothon *yawn*

Nepal: Swayambunath or Pashupatinath (both are too old though)

Bulgaria: Rila Monastery (has to be this, right?)

 

[mitsho]

I'd put the Crystal Palace, or Big Ben instead of the British Museum. But watch out for it being the Liverpool Harbour or the Mersey Docks or something else industrial.

But it's still a bit unclear to me how they will distribute the wonder-ful and wonder-less civs. I guess we will see.

I'm also a bit surprised about the line up. What interests me more will be the cadence in which we will get new civs. Will it be twice a year 4 civs + 2 leaders or will we get an "Expansion" after Right to Rule. Cause there are quite a big number of big names and "leaderless" cultures (Korea gets no leader?) around. And even if it has a long tail, better get going

 

[Hilton1]

Bulgaria is a bit of a strange choice to me. Europe in generally is looking bizarrely neglected for civs, while overrepresented by leaders. No civs north of the Mediterrenean for Antiquity, and an odd roster for the Exploration Age of the Normans (with English civ features but French city names), Bulgaria, and maritime Spain.

It's crying out for Celts + Goths + Norse in Antiquity and HRE + Byzantium in Exploration.

 

[8housesofelixir]

For an industrial British wonder, I highly recommend the Derwent Valley Mills, the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and the factory-based production system that we still use today.

Grimsby Dock Tower would also be good (the highest and the most potent hydraulic engine in the 19th century), albeit very niche.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

So:
Britain: British Museum

Carthage: Cothon *yawn*

Nepal: Swayambunath or Pashupatinath (both are too old though)

Bulgaria: Rila Monastery (has to be this, right?)

If we are talking about Wonders, do we know of any Great Cothon, or Bizarrely Big Cothon, as opposed to good old regular cothon which can be used as the unique infrastructure?

 

[Siptah]

If we are talking about Wonders, do we know of any Great Cothon, or Bizarrely Big Cothon, as opposed to good old regular cothon which can be used as the unique infrastructure?

The Cothon of Carthage itself?
I think most other wonders for Carthage would require more fantasy: the citadel, Temple of Eshmun, for example.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

The Cothon of Carthage itself?
I think most other wonders for Carthage would require more fantasy: the citadel, Temple of Eshmun, for example.

I would imagine a cothon is a harbor in ancient Carthage, that Carthage must have been filled with these structures. That is why I'm asking if we know of a "Great Cothon" or something similar, because if not, it sounds more like a piece of unique infrastructure than a wonder.