CRpSuite : Playing aids and game analysis utils 2.11.0

[planetfall]

This seems related to something ainwood suggested, about locating Settler factories. It's something that could be done, and I'll most likely do it at some point. Don't expect this soon though!

I understand, it is a lot more work.

Actually the RCP was exploiting a bug in the corruption code, it wasn't something that the designers/developers intended. That's a bug that was actually fixed in C3C!

Yeah, I know. But corruption model hurts enjoyment.

I'll add it. I'll probably add the following columns:

• Name
• Closest City
• Connected
• Connected to Capital
• X/Y

I think X/Y won't be much use, however, as there's no way to relate that to the map in Civ. Being able to jump Civ to the resource via the context menu is the way to locate it. Have you seen the "Jump to City" option on the context menu for the Culture/Pollution/Happiness/Flipping tabs?

x,y would help as can put in a sheet and have target tiles.

Not currently. Do you actually use the list in CRpStats to view data? I tend to just copy/paste it into Excell to graph it.

Not that analytical I guess. I use Stats during war period to view 5..15 years and I check two items: 1. offense power is staying within expectations, and 2. research is not falling by wayside. I think once or twice I put into a sheet but tired of that as was not playing GOTM.

Thanks pf, but I've already got one of those programming job things. I've been getting paid for programming for about 12 years now!

That explains why the quality is higher than would be expected by hacker. Other utils are ugly, or not as well thought out.

Oh, one more request. MapStat, Trading tab, new column for techs acquired by other civs during last turn. I find sometimes I have to do subtraction to figure out what they just gained. It is annoying, especially when I have to go back to the tech tree to see where we are all.

That enough ideas for now.

PF

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

The mention of column width reminded me of something i always wished was possible in Mapstat... Sort by column by clicking the column header. If it's already there, forgive me because i am... well... me.

 

[ainwood]

That explains why the quality is higher than would be expected by hacker. Other utils are ugly, or not as well thought out.

Mine are particularly ugly!

However, for the 'new' version, I got a professional programmer working with me, and it looks, well, 'professional'. It really does make a difference.

 

[planetfall]

Mine are particularly ugly!

Hey, I wasn't picking on you, and on purpose did not mention your utility. Yeah it was ugly. I only used it once or twice but then couldn't get past the ugly. That and wasn't needed every turn like MapStat. I really do save 5..10 hours a game by using this instead of bouncing from civ to civ in the diplo screen.

Glad to hear you're getting help. As a regular player, I appreciate all the utilities that are created to make the game more enjoyable.

PF

 

[planetfall]

Oh, re Rings tile tagging. Again this is not high priority, but in case anyone else wants this feature the work around is:

1. create snapshot of map.
1.1 print screen
1.2 paste into paint
1.3 save
1.4 if too big, select smaller area
1.4.1 cut selection
1.4.2 new image, discard old
1.4.3 paste smaller area
1.4.4 save
repeat until have map you desire.

Then in paint you can either put colored circles/squares on top of your map image. Faster is to cut a section out of map. This works for keeping track of tiles forested. Alternative method is to use city naming convention to track forested tiles. I use this method now for foresting, but think will go back to colored splashs on map for resource tracking until we all get a better alternative.

PF

 

[Elandra]

I just discovered the Crp suite. Awesome stuff...thanks all!

Sorry to be offtopic, but this 39 page post is a bit overwhelming. Can someone point me to the section on how to use CrpRings? I've got it running but i only see black. I must be missing something obvious.

Thanks.

 

[Dianthus]

I just discovered the Crp suite. Awesome stuff...thanks all!

Sorry to be offtopic, but this 39 page post is a bit overwhelming.

Just ask if you've got problems, as I said in the 1st post (you have read that, haven't you?):

If you've got any questions (preferably related to CRpSuite ) just ask here and I'll try to answer. CRpSuite has evolved quite a bit (including a name change, from CIVReplayViewer) since it started, so the early parts of this thread are not really applicable. Don't feel you have to read it all, just ask!

Can someone point me to the section on how to use CrpRings? I've got it running but i only see black. I must be missing something obvious.

The first thing you have to do is open a .sav file. I've got a habit of using context menus and not having any other visible way of doing things. Just right click, then select "Open..." and choose your current .sav file. When the map appears just click on your capital, play with the rings sizes and zooming/scrolling.

 

[Elandra]

got it, thanks

AWESOME application!

and yes, i read the first post. but i still felt awkward asking something as simple as "um, duh, how do i make it work?"

your fast reply probably saved me hours of post-scrolling....thanks a ton.

 

[Dianthus]

The mention of column width reminded me of something i always wished was possible in Mapstat... Sort by column by clicking the column header. If it's already there, forgive me because i am... well... me.

Did you have a particular order in mind watorrey? Changing the sorting by clicking on the columns is something I could do, but I've been avoiding it. I've tried to make the default ordering for each tab be suitable for solving the particular problem that tab is trying to address. This is why we have 4 tabs showing cities, but with different data and sort orders to help solve a particular problem.

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

For example... the trading tab defaults to decending by amount of gold. There have been many times i would rather sort by resources or techs or even workers just to group the civs of immediate interest together.

I only mention it because clicking the column header to toggle the sort order by that column is a pretty standard windows function and i find myself always trying to do it even though i know it doesn't work in mapstat.

Don't go out of your way to please me however. I think my civ3 days are over with. The broken C3C is just too depressing to play anymore.

 

[planetfall]

The sorts I miss having are all on territory tab:


1. tiles #, decreasing
2. world %, decreasing
3. city count, decreasing
maybe culture.

Otherwise I would not need any sorts other than defaults.

PF

 

[planetfall]

While I'm on a roll. [ don't know if it's good or bad, but ideas keep popping up. ]

How about a preference on Rings to show civ borders?

I'd better shut up know or you'll hate to see any more ideas.

PF

 

[Paalikles]

Is it possible to prevent usage on pbem saves from being spoiler activity.

Right now, I was able to launch an old pbem save and gain info on my opponent's territory (with both spoiler tags checked). This was a finished game, so it did not hurt anyone - but I expect this to have a bad impact on pbem gaming around the web

 

[Dianthus]

Is it possible to prevent usage on pbem saves from being spoiler activity.

Right now, I was able to launch an old pbem save and gain info on my opponent's territory (with both spoiler tags checked). This was a finished game, so it did not hurt anyone - but I expect this to have a bad impact on pbem gaming around the web

The current version requires the player's password to be entered for a PBEM .sav. Are you using the current version (2.8.2)? Maybe you've found a bug! Post a .sav and I'll take a look.

 

[Paalikles]

Downloaded recently from your website.

Version: AFAIK, it is 2.8.2

C3C 1.22 on my account

The save:

This file is the last I have in my game with Ginger_Ale
the turn, number 147p is the last one I saved. So the program should prompt for Ginger_Ale's password, which I do not have of course. But it did not prompt me for this.

Reproduction:

Open the save file, se no password prompt, look at contents.

 

[Dianthus]

Version: AFAIK, it is 2.8.2

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Open the save file, se no password prompt, look at contents.

I just tried with version 2.8.2 of CRpMapStat. (Note that the version is in the titlebar). I did the following:

1. Started CRpMapStat.
2. Used the File->Open menu to open the file.
3. The following form popped up as CRpMapStat attempted to automatically select Ginger_Ale:
   
   
4. Pressing cancel or entering an invalid password then pressing OK results in the player "<None>" being selected.
5. Selecting a player results in #3 again.

I'm pretty sure you must be using an old version. Could you check and make absolutely sure?

 

[Turner]

:sigh:....I was about to challenge a lot of people to PBEM games!

 

[Paalikles]

@Dianthus: Retried using mapstat - works like you describe it.

Will also retry double clicking the sav file (like I did originally) - which apparently opens the file in CRp viewer - which is where I didnt see a prompt

Edit:

Retried:

Crprings 2.8.2 gives no prompt - lets me view Ginger Ale's territory, and when I uncheck the spoiler tags - I can see my own territory as well

@Turner: Depending on where you pick your fights, you should not have to fear anything (anything but anihilation by a better player ) There are dedicated areas (or zones if you like that word) of the web where you can be pretty sure that cheating is a nono I like dueling in civ3.

Look for the sneaky advertising that mysteriously got into the last part of the post

 

[Dianthus]

Crprings 2.8.2 gives no prompt - lets me view Ginger Ale's territory, and when I uncheck the spoiler tags - I can see my own territory as well

OK, just checked, and I see the same thing here. My intention was that MP games should not open in CRpRings/CRpViewer until I get around to supporting it properly. It looks like I've messed up the CRpRings code at some point (CRpViewer seems to be OK). I'll get that fixed for the next release (coming soon....).

 

[Moonsinger]

Crprings 2.8.2 gives no prompt - lets me view Ginger Ale's territory, and when I uncheck the spoiler tags - I can see my own territory as well

This is pretty bad! If Dianthus can see other people maps, it means that the other world class programmers and hackers out there can see them too. Sure, Dianthus can block off access to those info in his program but that doesn't stop the others from programming a less sophisticate verion of the spoiler viewer, etc.