Eclipse4449
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Crusade! - "Middle Ages" scenario
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Eclipse4449
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GPS to ADYYC
adyyc
Roman
GPS
Killed a Knight with an army.
Pagans entablished New Ribe just near the german border on a fotified location. They are happy to see anger of the Holly Knights.
Killed a Knight with an army.
Pagans entablished New Ribe just near the german border on a fotified location. They are happy to see anger of the Holly Knights.
Blaze Injun
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Where? I have them all over.
We saw your filth moving.
Thats God's Vengence in those eyes!!!
Blaze Injun
soul_warrior
Termite!
blaze, havent you been taught - dont get mad, get even?
and holly knights
....
and holly knights
....
Well it is nearlyand holly knights
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Hey,
GPS to Eclipse4449.
I think I know what you mean. Something like this.....
"Kein Himmel für Heiden"
A Pagan Army Dines With Lucifer!!
East of New Ribs
A brave Holy German Empire Knight looked down at the
heathens. God had given him this day to send the pagans
to hell.
Holy German Empire Knight -3 (1/4) vs Pagan Horde (12/15)
The town of Worms has been establish as a staging point for
the Crusade.
Blaze Injun
GPS to Eclipse4449.
blaze, havent you been taught - dont get mad, get even?
and holly knights
I think I know what you mean. Something like this.....
"Kein Himmel für Heiden"
A Pagan Army Dines With Lucifer!!
East of New Ribs
A brave Holy German Empire Knight looked down at the
heathens. God had given him this day to send the pagans
to hell.
Holy German Empire Knight -3 (1/4) vs Pagan Horde (12/15)
The town of Worms has been establish as a staging point for
the Crusade.
Blaze Injun
Eclipse4449
Deity
Please resend the turn. I have again concured the bad guy(virus maker)
Eclipse4449
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GPS to ADYYC
adyyc
Roman
@Blaze.
How did you killed an army with a Knight? you took 12 hps with 3 hps?
This means 3x5=15 vs 12x2=24 after a knight took me 3 hp while i aatacked. How i cold have 2x bad luck in a row? (a knight with 3 defence taking 3 hps from a berseker with 6 aatck taking 3 hps is bad luck)
I will consider this another thing almost imposible.
EDIT: GPS
How did you killed an army with a Knight? you took 12 hps with 3 hps?
This means 3x5=15 vs 12x2=24 after a knight took me 3 hp while i aatacked. How i cold have 2x bad luck in a row? (a knight with 3 defence taking 3 hps from a berseker with 6 aatck taking 3 hps is bad luck)
I will consider this another thing almost imposible.
EDIT: GPS
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Lets see if I watched it right it went like this
Holy German Knight vs Pagan Army
Holy German Empire Knight (4/4) vs 1st Berserker, killed.
Army moves to 2nd Beserker.
Holy German Empire Knight -1 (3/4) vs 2nd Berserker, killed.
Redlined Army moves to last Berserker.
Holy German Empire Knight -2 (1/4) vs Last Berserker KILLED
You can consider it anything you want. Or is it that you have played C3C against the AI to long. Winning every game. Building your Ego. Building thoughts that you were going to run over those in this game.
Is that it? So now when things go wrong in your thinking it must be Impossible?
I guess the simplest way to explain is....
Or even better...
God's Will
Blaze Injun
According to CivIII Combat Calculator these are the percentages.
Beserker Army defence = 2 + (3*2/6 = 1) + terrain bonus 10% = 3.3
Knight Attack = 5
the Attacker wins 9.36% of the time
So yes the Knight was lucky, but not that lucky.
Combat in Civ can be wildly unpredictable which is why some players prefer to be builders because there are few random elements involved.
Lucky = Modern Armor (24) vs Spearman (2) + terrain bonus = 2.2
Defending Spear wins 1.359% of the time.
Note: I don't use the Combat Calculator as a rule. I downloaded it just to see what the percentages were. At first glance it did seem unlikely a Knight could defeat an Army.
In addition there was a 36.27% chance that you would take more than 2 points of damage in the other example you quoted (Army attacking Knight)
The problem with beserks is the low defense, Carthage has a similar problem in Rise of Rome. Heavy Cavalry also has a low defence value so they are similarly dis-advantaged.
As a side note Blaze has lost two Heavy Cavalry armies in a Rise of Rome scenario we are playing, and did not react in the way you did.
The lesson is check your facts before making a statement such as
In another PBEM I had two 4 unit armies (Riders) attack MI in consecutive attacks and though victorious they suffered 4 (8.87%*) and 5 (3.37%*) points of damage respectively. In the same game I also got 3 great military leaders in 4-5 turns
but can't tell you what the chances of that were. Did my opponent do anything but comment that's a lot of leaders. Especially when I got 2 in the course of 3 combats.
* % chance of suffering this much damage or higher
As a further sidenote there used to be a board game journal called 'The General' which would feature a replay of one of their board games, part of this replay would show how great a degree luck had played in the outcome. If you are prone to be suspicious of other players good luck perhaps you would like to collect the results of combats in a spreadsheet.
This is why Battle Reports should be accurately posted, so that players can be less suspicious of the results of battles. PBEM requires the players trust one another to some degree and can take some comfort in analysis of the numbers should they become suspicious.
I hope this helps clarify things.
Wow this post became much longer than I anticipated
I truly am a gregarious GreyGamer
Beserker Army defence = 2 + (3*2/6 = 1) + terrain bonus 10% = 3.3
Knight Attack = 5
the Attacker wins 9.36% of the time
So yes the Knight was lucky, but not that lucky.
Combat in Civ can be wildly unpredictable which is why some players prefer to be builders because there are few random elements involved.
Lucky = Modern Armor (24) vs Spearman (2) + terrain bonus = 2.2
Defending Spear wins 1.359% of the time.
Note: I don't use the Combat Calculator as a rule. I downloaded it just to see what the percentages were. At first glance it did seem unlikely a Knight could defeat an Army.
In addition there was a 36.27% chance that you would take more than 2 points of damage in the other example you quoted (Army attacking Knight)
The problem with beserks is the low defense, Carthage has a similar problem in Rise of Rome. Heavy Cavalry also has a low defence value so they are similarly dis-advantaged.
As a side note Blaze has lost two Heavy Cavalry armies in a Rise of Rome scenario we are playing, and did not react in the way you did.
The lesson is check your facts before making a statement such as
almost 1 time in 10 this can happen. Of course against the AI you would never have got attacked as the AI likes a 50% or higher chance of success.
In another PBEM I had two 4 unit armies (Riders) attack MI in consecutive attacks and though victorious they suffered 4 (8.87%*) and 5 (3.37%*) points of damage respectively. In the same game I also got 3 great military leaders in 4-5 turns
but can't tell you what the chances of that were. Did my opponent do anything but comment that's a lot of leaders. Especially when I got 2 in the course of 3 combats.* % chance of suffering this much damage or higher
As a further sidenote there used to be a board game journal called 'The General' which would feature a replay of one of their board games, part of this replay would show how great a degree luck had played in the outcome. If you are prone to be suspicious of other players good luck perhaps you would like to collect the results of combats in a spreadsheet.
This is why Battle Reports should be accurately posted, so that players can be less suspicious of the results of battles. PBEM requires the players trust one another to some degree and can take some comfort in analysis of the numbers should they become suspicious.
I hope this helps clarify things.
Wow this post became much longer than I anticipated
I truly am a gregarious GreyGamer
adyyc
Roman
Yes is possible but in very rare cases. How the hell did happened first time i did an action outside my borders with the army.
Is definetelly bad luck.
Is definetelly bad luck.
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Hey,
Thanks Greygamer for the info. I don't use the Combat calculator either.
Here is the post of Greygamer's attack on Hanno of Carthage Army.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5708661&postcount=202
As the above post states. This happened.
Hanno Army (2 War Elephants & 1 Elite Heavy Cavalry: 5 attack, 2 Defend)
That gave Hanno a 14/14.
Hanno's Army -4 (10/14) vs Firecats
Carthage Firecat defense hits the incoming X Roman Heavy Cavalry -1 (3/4)
Hanno -10 vs X Roman Heavy Cavalry -2 (1/4) <-----
Hanno was killed even though the Cavalry attacked at 3/4.
How is that any different then what happened in this game.
I was proud of Hanno but all I said was Poor Hanno killed in a Rain Storm.
Blaze Injun
Thanks Greygamer for the info. I don't use the Combat calculator either.
Here is the post of Greygamer's attack on Hanno of Carthage Army.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5708661&postcount=202
As the above post states. This happened.
Hanno Army (2 War Elephants & 1 Elite Heavy Cavalry: 5 attack, 2 Defend)
That gave Hanno a 14/14.
Hanno's Army -4 (10/14) vs Firecats
Carthage Firecat defense hits the incoming X Roman Heavy Cavalry -1 (3/4)
Hanno -10 vs X Roman Heavy Cavalry -2 (1/4) <-----
Hanno was killed even though the Cavalry attacked at 3/4.
How is that any different then what happened in this game.
I was proud of Hanno but all I said was Poor Hanno killed in a Rain Storm.
Blaze Injun
1 in 10 is not very rare, it happens once every 10 attacks. The Germans probably wanted to send a message and had more luck than they expected.
If you want some historical comparisons, you could try
Battle of Tannenberg 1914
or
Winter War
both examples of forces expected to be easily beaten by much stronger forces that inflict massive casulties on the enemy armies
GPS to the lucky Christians
If you want some historical comparisons, you could try
Battle of Tannenberg 1914
or
Winter War
both examples of forces expected to be easily beaten by much stronger forces that inflict massive casulties on the enemy armies
GPS to the lucky Christians
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Hey,
I also Lost Hippotus of Dolphinius in "Happy Trails" by 2 Heavy Cavalry.
Greygamers post.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5927994&postcount=264
Blaze Injun
I also Lost Hippotus of Dolphinius in "Happy Trails" by 2 Heavy Cavalry.
Greygamers post.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5927994&postcount=264
Blaze Injun
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Hey,
GPS to Eclipse4449
The Lucky Christians move to a hilltop between New Ribs & Vorbasse.
It is believed that another Pagan city has been destoryed in France.
IBT: Rus lose 3 Berserkers.
Blaze Injun
GPS to Eclipse4449
The Lucky Christians move to a hilltop between New Ribs & Vorbasse.
It is believed that another Pagan city has been destoryed in France.
IBT: Rus lose 3 Berserkers.
Blaze Injun
adyyc
Roman
I didnt tell is impossible... but shoked me to get my army killed in such a stupid way.
"Hanno's Army -4 (10/14) vs Firecats"
depends on how many firecats were... if it was 10 firecats and take just 4 hp the luck turn the side
"Hanno's Army -4 (10/14) vs Firecats"
depends on how many firecats were... if it was 10 firecats and take just 4 hp the luck turn the side
Eclipse4449
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GPS to ADYYC
