CTR1 -- Jump Without Looking (the Deity Virgin Sacrifice)
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ChrTh
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Palace jump to Boston?
We should build infrastructure, though, just in case a UN bid fails, so that we can then try for a Space Race victory (or get to Modern Armor first)
We should build infrastructure, though, just in case a UN bid fails, so that we can then try for a Space Race victory (or get to Modern Armor first)
Wanderer
King
hi guys,
RL is BUSY - had about 30 min's on the net on tues, and nothing yesterday. I've just had a catch up read!
Hmmm - it does look like it'll be a 4 way dance to the end. If it weren't for our 15 or so turn agreement with IRO , I'd say stomp 'em now! But we will have to wait for the end of the ROP agreement with them, before we can do that, or we hurt our DIPLO chance.
An advantage of having the IRO lands is that we can directly affect both the ENG and IND civ's as needed.
@ChrTh - feeling the NWN urge ? My paladin in is lev 13, and it's kinda tuf ( Shadows of Undrentide, I assume ?)
Infrastruct could be critical, we don't HAVE to put all eggs in the DIPLO basket yet, so let's try and get Infrastruct, and TOE amd then we can see ?
RL is BUSY - had about 30 min's on the net on tues, and nothing yesterday. I've just had a catch up read!
Hmmm - it does look like it'll be a 4 way dance to the end. If it weren't for our 15 or so turn agreement with IRO , I'd say stomp 'em now! But we will have to wait for the end of the ROP agreement with them, before we can do that, or we hurt our DIPLO chance.
An advantage of having the IRO lands is that we can directly affect both the ENG and IND civ's as needed.
@ChrTh - feeling the NWN urge ? My paladin in is lev 13, and it's kinda tuf ( Shadows of Undrentide, I assume ?)
Infrastruct could be critical, we don't HAVE to put all eggs in the DIPLO basket yet, so let's try and get Infrastruct, and TOE amd then we can see ?
ChrTh
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@Wanderer, yeah, just got SoU, but I never really played the first campaign 
... my goal is a Bard Shadowdancer, I just created the character and am going to play the NWN Campaign with it.
And now back to our regularly scheduled game...
On Diplo:
Currently 5 nations. If we build UN, it's us versus Persia. India would vote for us, as probably would England, so we win.
If we take out the Iroqi, we still need three votes, and it might be harder to get them (India, England less likely to be gracious/polite, especially the latter). So if we do decide to go the diplo route, maybe we do want to spare Iroqi?
... my goal is a Bard Shadowdancer, I just created the character and am going to play the NWN Campaign with it.And now back to our regularly scheduled game...
On Diplo:
Currently 5 nations. If we build UN, it's us versus Persia. India would vote for us, as probably would England, so we win.
If we take out the Iroqi, we still need three votes, and it might be harder to get them (India, England less likely to be gracious/polite, especially the latter). So if we do decide to go the diplo route, maybe we do want to spare Iroqi?
I think it would be good to do something with the troops we've built, otherwise we have just put ourselfs behind further for naught. We have to pay maintenance for the troops as well and I think we *need* leaders to gain on the AI. Like Earp said, we will have to keep the AI fighting, but I don't know how to achieve that if we play peaceniks. Any ideas?
ChrTh
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Wasn't that what Von Moltke said before WWI?
Who is on the top of the mountain? Persia? We could declare war on Persia and then try to get India and England to join us. Considering the AIs ability in landing an invasion, I doubt we have much to worry about in a war with Persia. We can use our elite samurais to take out their landing troops.
ChrTh
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I'm pretty sure India and Persia are already at war
ChrTh
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Doubtful...we're weaker, so we would have to pay them
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So. What's the plan?
Continue military builds for 10 turns, get units on boats, attack Iroqs the turn after ROP ends.
Build Libs, unis and marketplaces everywhere after this.
Develop the FP city to max shield production ready for UN pre-build.
This OK?
Continue military builds for 10 turns, get units on boats, attack Iroqs the turn after ROP ends.
Build Libs, unis and marketplaces everywhere after this.
Develop the FP city to max shield production ready for UN pre-build.
This OK?
Sounds good to me. If you can find a way to get the Indians to fight the cowbo.. eh the Persians that would be great. If ChrTh is right and they are already fighting that one should be easy.
Wanderer
King
bear in mind, as ChrTh said, if we fight the IRO, we may actually weaken our Diplo chances...
Given our tech disadv (what is it curently ?), are we going to totally discount conquest/domination? I think so, imho.
Given the strength of the persia tech / building adv, do we think we can win via Space ? I don't think so.
I won't even talk about culture.
I think we need to seriously consider that diplo, currently, looks like our best chance. If not diplo, then what ? (LURKER'S - please comment - I understand DIPLO on DEITY is very difficult - is there something we don't know ?)
If we can't win via diplo , what do we think our next best chance is ? Conquest/war to try and improve our own Space chances ? DO we think we could build a big enough standing army to crash thro and take out the Persian's ? If we could, then some strategic drives in Idnia and Eng MIGHT allow us to try for SPace. I recently avoided a space lose in an emperor game when 2 other civ's were WAY ahead, by focused Tank assaults that drove thro and destroyed/captured the enemy capitals (they were on 9/10 and 8/10, while I was on 1/10).
I do want to say that if we decide to go a more peaceful route, or should based on thinkning, then we must not let our number of units force us into thinkning we have to go to war!
Thoughts ?
Given our tech disadv (what is it curently ?), are we going to totally discount conquest/domination? I think so, imho.
Given the strength of the persia tech / building adv, do we think we can win via Space ? I don't think so.
I won't even talk about culture.
I think we need to seriously consider that diplo, currently, looks like our best chance. If not diplo, then what ? (LURKER'S - please comment - I understand DIPLO on DEITY is very difficult - is there something we don't know ?)
If we can't win via diplo , what do we think our next best chance is ? Conquest/war to try and improve our own Space chances ? DO we think we could build a big enough standing army to crash thro and take out the Persian's ? If we could, then some strategic drives in Idnia and Eng MIGHT allow us to try for SPace. I recently avoided a space lose in an emperor game when 2 other civ's were WAY ahead, by focused Tank assaults that drove thro and destroyed/captured the enemy capitals (they were on 9/10 and 8/10, while I was on 1/10).
I do want to say that if we decide to go a more peaceful route, or should based on thinkning, then we must not let our number of units force us into thinkning we have to go to war!
Thoughts ?
It's not the amount of units so much as it is the amount of lost building turns. Those will only pay off if we use our elite units and get a leader. Otherwise they're just lost turns. That's the point I was trying to make.
Wanderer
King
I understand that, space. Just wonder, IF we decide to go the other wat (diplo etc), whether we shuoldn't cut our loses.
Please understand, I'm the LAST person in our team to be making any decisions of this kind. I don't even win consistently only Monarch!!
Please understand, I'm the LAST person in our team to be making any decisions of this kind. I don't even win consistently only Monarch!!
We are a team and everybody is equally contributing IMO, so please speak your mind Wanderer. 
I just think if we build only, we won't be able to get to Fission first. We should hope to get a very timely pre-build going, but that would depend too much on luck. And furthermore we need to move the palace to make our cities produce. It'll take ages.
I just think if we build only, we won't be able to get to Fission first. We should hope to get a very timely pre-build going, but that would depend too much on luck. And furthermore we need to move the palace to make our cities produce. It'll take ages.
ChrTh
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mad-bax, have you had a chance to play yet?
ChrTh
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'sok. Just wanted to make sure you were still with us
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The only coal is on our Landmass. We have 3 sources, and india has 2. Happy days!
650AD: Boston - Musket
Buffalo - Worker
Nara - Worker
New Orleans - Worker
Dk Humour - Library
Washington - Worker
All 1 shield cities set to build workers.
Buy steam from Gandhi for 625g + 82gpt.
Noone has coal except us and Ghandi. We have 1 connected and two unconnected. Gandhi has 1 connected and 1 unconnected.
Trade silks to Persia for for 30g + 20gpt
Research Medicine.
660AD: Chicago - Library
Memphis - Iron Works
Philly - Worker
San Fran - Library
Dk Blue - Library
Trade Furs and 15g from Persia for Dyes
670AD: Baltimore - Library
680AD: Orleans - Worker
Dk Green - Library
Trade Dyes to India for 108G + 22gpt + WM
Trade Wines from England for Incense + 29g + WM
690AD: Miami - Library
Satsuma - Library
Kagoshima - Library
Trade Dyes + 29g to England for Spices.
We now have all 8 Luxes.
I set all builds to Libraries and workers. I feel we need workers and the 1 shield cities can't produce anything else anyway. The Iron Works city is yet another reason for fishing for leaders for a palace jump.
The Library builds can be changed. But I feel that if we use the Galleons we have right now to fish for a leader we can do it without much risk. When the forces are all dead we can stop.
I set science to get us to TOE ASAP. Hope this is OK.
Right now I think our main weakness is lack of workers. I have also made yet another mistake. I was so happy about the coal situation that I have set workers to road the unconnected sources. This is Bad. Once we have a spare it will be extorted out of us. Please stop those workers!
The save is
here. . It's not my best work I'm afraid. A bit rushed.
650AD: Boston - Musket
Buffalo - Worker
Nara - Worker
New Orleans - Worker
Dk Humour - Library
Washington - Worker
All 1 shield cities set to build workers.
Buy steam from Gandhi for 625g + 82gpt.
Noone has coal except us and Ghandi. We have 1 connected and two unconnected. Gandhi has 1 connected and 1 unconnected.
Trade silks to Persia for for 30g + 20gpt
Research Medicine.
660AD: Chicago - Library
Memphis - Iron Works
Philly - Worker
San Fran - Library
Dk Blue - Library
Trade Furs and 15g from Persia for Dyes
670AD: Baltimore - Library
680AD: Orleans - Worker
Dk Green - Library
Trade Dyes to India for 108G + 22gpt + WM
Trade Wines from England for Incense + 29g + WM
690AD: Miami - Library
Satsuma - Library
Kagoshima - Library
Trade Dyes + 29g to England for Spices.
We now have all 8 Luxes.
I set all builds to Libraries and workers. I feel we need workers and the 1 shield cities can't produce anything else anyway. The Iron Works city is yet another reason for fishing for leaders for a palace jump.
The Library builds can be changed. But I feel that if we use the Galleons we have right now to fish for a leader we can do it without much risk. When the forces are all dead we can stop.
I set science to get us to TOE ASAP. Hope this is OK.
Right now I think our main weakness is lack of workers. I have also made yet another mistake. I was so happy about the coal situation that I have set workers to road the unconnected sources. This is Bad. Once we have a spare it will be extorted out of us. Please stop those workers!
The save is
here. . It's not my best work I'm afraid. A bit rushed.
