CTR1 -- Jump Without Looking (the Deity Virgin Sacrifice)
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Ok, as discussed I sign up the Persians and the English into our war. I move the slider back to 0% science, counting on ToE next turn. Move some workers out of the way. Switch Cincinnati to barracks due next turn if it survives. Double check our defences..., pray to the RNG gods..., and hit return.
IT - Cincinnati survives, 2 Cavs die, after promoting to elite
. The Indians move a lot of slow unit near. It is still not overwhelming. We might survive...
1190 AD - turn 5
Dark Blue ToE -> inf
Cincinnati rax -> inf
Switch Memphis from Iron Works to Longbowman
Switch Reims from courthouse to sword (can you tell I'm scratching all the military I can find..
)
Move Infs to the Front.
Trade X-man Atomic Theory for WM + Combustion + 357g
Trade Elizabeth Atomic Theory + 397g for Nationalism (we can use Combustion in the next trade)
Trade Elizabeth Electronics for WM + Espionage + Communism + 530g + 25gpt
Trade X-man Electronics for WM + 2753g + 7gpt
Not great, but stiil 4fr2 and we're up Combustion on England and trail Mass Production to Persia. We start Radio at (3.7.0) making 13gpt, it'll finish in 13 turns.
Fugiwara inspires Kyoto to construct Hoovers.
Elite Sam kills redlined cav.
Our regular sword kills redlined cav, is redlined himself and exposed.
I gamble a bit and move some troops back from our province.
I spend some of the money to hurry troops and factories.
IT - India takes Dark Blue, there was just one cav that I missed that could reach it. We'll reclaim it, promiss. War wariness hits us hard, we are religious so we'll change back to republic. (Monarchy will not work because we have so small amount of troops...
In the midst of all this We complete Hoovers [dance].
1200 AD - turn 5
The Japanese people revolt.
We reclaim Dark Blue at the cost of a cav and a sword.
Finally time to upgrade the cats to arties.
Leader fish by killing exposed Elephants, to no avail.
Move some troops around and save the game.
I'm sorry to leave it in such a state but these 5 turns are long enough to have done my bit. It is still not hopeless IMO, but difficult certainly.
I have not seen 1 single Persian or English unit. We really need the Indians to get distracted.
We may need to switch the Palace pre-build to Intelligence Agency, because I don't think we will have Fission in 17 turns.
And remember we're in Anarchy to switch to republic...
Who's up? Who's ready to take up the sword?
IT - Cincinnati survives, 2 Cavs die, after promoting to elite
. The Indians move a lot of slow unit near. It is still not overwhelming. We might survive...
1190 AD - turn 5
Dark Blue ToE -> inf
Cincinnati rax -> inf
Switch Memphis from Iron Works to Longbowman
Switch Reims from courthouse to sword (can you tell I'm scratching all the military I can find..
)Move Infs to the Front.
Trade X-man Atomic Theory for WM + Combustion + 357g
Trade Elizabeth Atomic Theory + 397g for Nationalism (we can use Combustion in the next trade)
Trade Elizabeth Electronics for WM + Espionage + Communism + 530g + 25gpt
Trade X-man Electronics for WM + 2753g + 7gpt
Not great, but stiil 4fr2 and we're up Combustion on England and trail Mass Production to Persia. We start Radio at (3.7.0) making 13gpt, it'll finish in 13 turns.
Fugiwara inspires Kyoto to construct Hoovers.
Elite Sam kills redlined cav.
Our regular sword kills redlined cav, is redlined himself and exposed
.I gamble a bit and move some troops back from our province.
I spend some of the money to hurry troops and factories.
IT - India takes Dark Blue, there was just one cav that I missed that could reach it. We'll reclaim it, promiss. War wariness hits us hard, we are religious so we'll change back to republic. (Monarchy will not work because we have so small amount of troops...
In the midst of all this We complete Hoovers [dance].
1200 AD - turn 5
The Japanese people revolt.
We reclaim Dark Blue at the cost of a cav and a sword.
Finally time to upgrade the cats to arties.
Leader fish by killing exposed Elephants, to no avail.
Move some troops around and save the game.
I'm sorry to leave it in such a state but these 5 turns are long enough to have done my bit. It is still not hopeless IMO, but difficult certainly.
I have not seen 1 single Persian or English unit
. We really need the Indians to get distracted. We may need to switch the Palace pre-build to Intelligence Agency, because I don't think we will have Fission in 17 turns.
And remember we're in Anarchy to switch to republic...
Who's up? Who's ready to take up the sword?
I think this is our current roster:
Roster:
ChrTh - MIA
SHard - out until 8/17
Mad-Bax
Space Oddity << Just Played
Wanderer << UP
Earp << On Deck
Did any luxury/resource trades become available when Persia and England declared war on India?
Roster:
ChrTh - MIA
SHard - out until 8/17
Mad-Bax
Space Oddity << Just Played
Wanderer << UP
Earp << On Deck
Did any luxury/resource trades become available when Persia and England declared war on India?
Yeah, Incense to England, but they don't have anything anymore. And of course there's coal Persia doesn't have, but I don't know whether we should. It might make a good incentive for Persia to really hit India...
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OK I've looked at the save.
You did a really good job Space but we are in it up to our necks here.
Personally I would have gone to get motorised transportation for tanks, if it were me.
I think we need to draft as many conscript infantry as we can on this turn b4 ending our turn, and do the same on the next turn. I would also waste the research on radio and get to MT ASAP.
We will lose cities to begin with, but we should play it defensively. We need to protect the eastern cities which are productive, so that the cities we lose are corrupt.
If you think a city might fall, sell all of it's improvements unless we think we can take it back anytime soon.
But IMO getting MT is our only hope.
Also, forget the UN. That's pie in the sky now. Switch the palace build to Infantry. Defend as best you can till MT then start building tanks. If we can hold on for 10 turns the English and Persians will arrive and that should help. Also the indians will suffer from war weariness since they have no luxes.
Let's see what we can do. I vote we make it our mission in life to eradicate the Indians from our world before the Persians launch their SSS(tm).
Again, well played Space, it must have been an exhausting set of turns.
You did a really good job Space but we are in it up to our necks here.
Personally I would have gone to get motorised transportation for tanks, if it were me.
I think we need to draft as many conscript infantry as we can on this turn b4 ending our turn, and do the same on the next turn. I would also waste the research on radio and get to MT ASAP.
We will lose cities to begin with, but we should play it defensively. We need to protect the eastern cities which are productive, so that the cities we lose are corrupt.
If you think a city might fall, sell all of it's improvements unless we think we can take it back anytime soon.
But IMO getting MT is our only hope.
Also, forget the UN. That's pie in the sky now. Switch the palace build to Infantry. Defend as best you can till MT then start building tanks. If we can hold on for 10 turns the English and Persians will arrive and that should help. Also the indians will suffer from war weariness since they have no luxes.
Let's see what we can do. I vote we make it our mission in life to eradicate the Indians from our world before the Persians launch their SSS(tm).
Again, well played Space, it must have been an exhausting set of turns.
Thanks, Mad, it's good to have ruled in 'interesting times'. You're right about MT, and it can easily be switched since there is only 1 turn of effort in Radio, since we're in the anarchy turn.
Drafting is good but we need to keep tabs on happiness.
Drafting is good but we need to keep tabs on happiness.
Wanderer
King
Aaargh.
I have to take WHAT ????
Runs and hides....
Um. How did this happen (somebody cry why,why why!!)
Ok, So far the advice seems to be:
turn 0> conscript everywhere, switch tech to MT.
turn1> conscript again.
Don't attack. Try and get troops to front lines to form defensive wall around soft inner core.
switch to republic asap.
Since UN and rep is toast, we don't HAVE to fight a 20 tuirn war, but that is the honourabl thing to do. Can everyone please assume the ritual position, and someone pass the sword !!
WE brought england into war, so we have to fight for 20 turns ? That means we ar going to HAVE to go on the offensive at some point in time, may 15 turns away or so!!)
What about boating back some troops from our other land ?
I have to take WHAT ????
Runs and hides....
Um. How did this happen (somebody cry why,why why!!)
Ok, So far the advice seems to be:
turn 0> conscript everywhere, switch tech to MT.
turn1> conscript again.
Don't attack. Try and get troops to front lines to form defensive wall around soft inner core.
switch to republic asap.
Since UN and rep is toast, we don't HAVE to fight a 20 tuirn war, but that is the honourabl thing to do. Can everyone please assume the ritual position, and someone pass the sword !!
WE brought england into war, so we have to fight for 20 turns ? That means we ar going to HAVE to go on the offensive at some point in time, may 15 turns away or so!!)
What about boating back some troops from our other land ?
Nice one to inherit, eh? 
Sorry. 
We are already in anarchy, which should last only 1 turn, then we're able to switch to Republic.
I already shipped back some troops. I don't dare to leave less than 2 troops in the cities in our 'other land' because we can't move troops there easily and England may at some point think it's childs play to take out our cities (which it is of course, so lets wait until she has shipped some of her troops away).
I don't think we need to go in to the offensive, we've fought (and won!) enough to make the allience real.
Sorry. We are already in anarchy, which should last only 1 turn, then we're able to switch to Republic.
I already shipped back some troops. I don't dare to leave less than 2 troops in the cities in our 'other land' because we can't move troops there easily and England may at some point think it's childs play to take out our cities (which it is of course, so lets wait until she has shipped some of her troops away).
I don't think we need to go in to the offensive, we've fought (and won!) enough to make the allience real.
I am not very worried about having to fight India. I think we should atleast take the Pyramids from India in the next 20 turns before singing a peace treaty. How many turns until we can start building tanks? Does India have sources of Oil and Rubber?
India does have Rubber, in the slow SoD in one of the pictures you can see Infantry. It could of course be that they bought it of England or Persia. The war will have put a stop to that. But I think with the amound of land they have, that its likely they have both. But they did not benefit from the tech trading after ToE, so they won't have MT for some time at least.
It might be worthwhile to use the Palace pre-build for the Intelligence Agency and try to plant a spy.
But I think with the amound of land they have, that its likely they have both. But they did not benefit from the tech trading after ToE, so they won't have MT for some time at least.It might be worthwhile to use the Palace pre-build for the Intelligence Agency and try to plant a spy.
Wanderer
King
Ok : Turn 0.
We are rated weak vs India.
TECH
We are behind mass prod on Persia (anthing else ?)
We are AHEAD combustion on England
No deals possible.
Radio changed to mass prod, then Motor Trans. Realistically, this is going to be a long way away, guys.
TRADE
Persia will give 8gpt for coal.
Eng won't trade for Incense.
Take Dark Blue off govenor, and 2 small cities on lower continent.
WAR:
SOD1 : 1 N of Tokyo is : 1 infantry(v), 4 longbowmen(1v), 2 musketmen(1v), 1 swordsman, 1 pikeman and 1 spear.
SOD2 : E,SE of tokyo (and within 3 of cincinatti and denver) : 1 cav (v); 1 ele.
1 NE of od SOD2 is a wounded (3hp) elite cav.
SOD4 : 2 NE of SOD1 is 1 sword(v), 1 logbow, 2 spear.
SOD5 : 3N of Seattle is 1 cav. NW of that are 2 cav (1v).
SOD6 : N,NW of New Karachi is 1 rifle, 2sword(1v), 1 spear, 1 cat
1W of SOD6 is 1 rifle.
So we have 25 enemy units and 1 cat in sight.
Out of our 117 units, 43 are workers. It's too late now, but I think we went overboard here, to the deteriment of defence!
Ok - I beleive we need out cav's back from the lower continent, to ensure the safety of our core. 3 galleons sent. we are fetching 5 cav (3 elite, 2 v),1 sam (e) and a catapult.
I SIGN ROP with England.
IF england attack, they Break ROP and Military Alliance (?).
CONSCRIPTING NOT AVAILABLE, probably due to anarchy.
I am worried about the TON's of workers working near EDO and KAGOSHIMA. The indian border is close enough for RAIDING.
There are no troops left to move, so I take a deep breathe, and click end trun.
IBT:
Sam in Nara kill vet cav, loses 1hp. Almost kills reg cav, but dies. We Lose NARA (burned to the ground!) and 33G.
SOD1 Moved to W of Tokyo ... didn't attack. It going for our unprotected core.
SOD2 is now SE,E of TOkyo. It is all slow units.
Pollution near Osaka.
Around Denver we have : NW(2) - Cav(v); N - War Ele ; NE - cav.
1 cav near St Louis.
Turn 1 (1210ad)
Choose Republic. Considered Communism.
Move 2 workers from jungle to denver.
Move 4 workers from Near Denver (1 below india cav), to Pollution.
Move 3 workers from near Denver to pollution. It is cleared.
7 troops from South cont in Satsuma in 2 turns.
Infant from St Louis injures Cav. Sam finished him off.
Vet sam redlined, but kills cav to destroyed Nara.
SLIDER set to 2.8.0. Mass Prod in 8 turns, -85gpt. We could do 3.7.0 and get it in 9 turns, @ -1gpt, but we would rather get MT 1 turn earlier, that die with cash in the vault!!!
Draft Inf from Washington. Change Courthouse to Cav.
MM Salamanca for Happy. Draft Inf.
Draft Inf from Kyoto.
Draft Inf from New York.
Draft Inf from Boston.
Draft Inf from Phili.
Draft Inf from Atlanta.
Draft Inf from Osaka.
Draft Inf from Chicago.
Draft Inf from seattle.
Draft Inf from Mauch Chunk.
Draft Inf from Sirp-Orange.
Draft Inf from Miami.
Draft Inf from Dark-Green.
Draft Inf from Houston.
Draft Inf from Dark Blue. MM to get barracks in 1.
Draft Inf from St. Louis.
Draft Inf from Tokyo.
Draft Inf from Dark Choc.
Draft Inf from Dark humour.
Draft Inf from Detroit.
Draft Inf from New Orleans. Change Couthouse to Barracks.
Draft Inf from Baltimore.
Draft Inf from Edo.
Draft Inf from Satsuma.
Draft Inf from Rhiems.
Draft Inf from Kagoshima.
Draft Inf from Denver.
Draft Inf from Cincinnati.
Draft Inf from Memphis.
Niagra can't draft. Maybe because size 6 or smaller.
Grand River can't draft.
Cattaraugus can't draft.
St. Regis can't draft.
Akwesasne can't draft.
Nagoya can't draft.
Izumo can't draft.
After all the conscripting (30 inf), -86gpt becomes -135 gpt. 3.7.0 would be 10 turns (not 8), @ -63 gpt. I decide to stay on 2.8.0
QUESTION : Osaka palace pre-build ? We aren't going to get a wonder in the next 17 turns. Obviously we could slow it down, but do we want to lose most prod city now ? I can change it to Int Agency and lose nothing, or hospital, police station etc. this is a 40 shield city : cavalry every 2 turns.
Back to the War :
Sam kills rile N of Memphis, is red-lined.
Art bombards vet cav near Denver - it loses 2hp.
Elite Sam kills wounded cav. no GL.
Art bombards cav near Denver - it loses 1hp.
Elite Cav (4/5) kills wounded cav. no GL.
Vet cav kills Ele - loses 1 hp.
6 enemy dead, no loses.
TRADE & TECH
Persia will give 19gpt for coal. I'm gettting tempted.
We are now rated average vs. India.
ENGLAND have combustion.
End Turn 1
IBT : England want to talk : Swap WM for their WM + 4G.
Vet Inf in CinCin redlines, but Kills attacking Elite Cav.
Many Indian Ironclads bambard Tokyo - no effect. They detroy improve near St. Louis.
Turn 2 : (1220 ad)
Dark Blue builds barracks. I set to Art - The Artillery will be vital in wounding attacking Infantry enough to kill them.
St Louis builds Marketplace, set to Inf.
New Orleans builds barracks. Set to Inf.
Troops arrive from south continent, so 5 cav and a sam go to Denver, then head North and kill sword, 2 spear and longbow. (all with elite units - no GL's !)
Persia will offer 35 gpt for Coal. VERY tempted!
End Turn 2
IBT : Some ironclad bombards, and SOD1 moves SW (1S of Tokyo).
Turn 3 (1230ad)
Kyoto builds Inf. Set to Art.
Bostom Riot. MM.
San fran builds Inf. Set to Art.
Sirp-Orang builds Inf. Set to Inf.
Dark Green builds Inf. Set to inf.
Houston riots. MM.
Dark Choc builds Inf. Set to Inf.
New Orleans Riots. MM.
Heims Ritos. MM.
Denver builds Inf. Set to Barracks.
Elite sam attacks rifle. red-lines, backs away. VatSam attacks rifle. Dies but red-lines him. Vat sam attacks rifle, kills him, captures Catapult.
VEt Inf moves to protect Sam and Cat.
Vet Inf take forest Near Sword.
Vet Sam kills Spear. Vet Sam kills Spear.
Vet sam dies against sword !
Vet Sam kills sword, becomes elite. Moves to Inf and Cat and Sam.
Art Bombard SOD1, take Inf to 1hp. Art Bombard Inf, take him to 1/4hp. art bombard vet musket, take him to 3/4.
Elite Cav kills Musket, loses 2hp, AND GET GL!!!!! TOJO goes to hide in KYOT. He will be for UN ?
Elite Cav redlines against 3/4 musket, takes him to 1/4,retreats.
Elite cav kills 1/4 Inf.
ELite Sam kills Pike.
Elite sam kills musket.
Vet cav kills spear, becomes elite.
Vet Cav kills sword.
Vet cav kills longbow.
Elite Sam kills Longbow.
Lonbow kills longbow.
Sword kills archer/longbow.
All invading forces are dead. We see 2 rifle men, 1 near Memphis, and 1 near New Karachi.
This war is close to turning around, and Us taking the offensive.
MID way thro 3rd turn :
The question's are:
Do we goe NW (right side), NW (left side), or both ?
Do we save GL, or create an army (I'm for saving for UN)?
I want to build ART and INF SoD, with Cav for rapid strikes.
Do you guys agree on running Sci at such a loss (1.40 now)?
I'll check on your responses tomorrow.
We are rated weak vs India.
TECH
We are behind mass prod on Persia (anthing else ?)
We are AHEAD combustion on England
No deals possible.
Radio changed to mass prod, then Motor Trans. Realistically, this is going to be a long way away, guys.
TRADE
Persia will give 8gpt for coal.
Eng won't trade for Incense.
Take Dark Blue off govenor, and 2 small cities on lower continent.
WAR:
SOD1 : 1 N of Tokyo is : 1 infantry(v), 4 longbowmen(1v), 2 musketmen(1v), 1 swordsman, 1 pikeman and 1 spear.
SOD2 : E,SE of tokyo (and within 3 of cincinatti and denver) : 1 cav (v); 1 ele.
1 NE of od SOD2 is a wounded (3hp) elite cav.
SOD4 : 2 NE of SOD1 is 1 sword(v), 1 logbow, 2 spear.
SOD5 : 3N of Seattle is 1 cav. NW of that are 2 cav (1v).
SOD6 : N,NW of New Karachi is 1 rifle, 2sword(1v), 1 spear, 1 cat
1W of SOD6 is 1 rifle.
So we have 25 enemy units and 1 cat in sight.
Out of our 117 units, 43 are workers. It's too late now, but I think we went overboard here, to the deteriment of defence!
Ok - I beleive we need out cav's back from the lower continent, to ensure the safety of our core. 3 galleons sent. we are fetching 5 cav (3 elite, 2 v),1 sam (e) and a catapult.
I SIGN ROP with England.
IF england attack, they Break ROP and Military Alliance (?).
CONSCRIPTING NOT AVAILABLE, probably due to anarchy.
I am worried about the TON's of workers working near EDO and KAGOSHIMA. The indian border is close enough for RAIDING.
There are no troops left to move, so I take a deep breathe, and click end trun.
IBT:
Sam in Nara kill vet cav, loses 1hp. Almost kills reg cav, but dies. We Lose NARA (burned to the ground!) and 33G.
SOD1 Moved to W of Tokyo ... didn't attack. It going for our unprotected core.
SOD2 is now SE,E of TOkyo. It is all slow units.
Pollution near Osaka.
Around Denver we have : NW(2) - Cav(v); N - War Ele ; NE - cav.
1 cav near St Louis.
Turn 1 (1210ad)
Choose Republic. Considered Communism.
Move 2 workers from jungle to denver.
Move 4 workers from Near Denver (1 below india cav), to Pollution.
Move 3 workers from near Denver to pollution. It is cleared.
7 troops from South cont in Satsuma in 2 turns.
Infant from St Louis injures Cav. Sam finished him off.
Vet sam redlined, but kills cav to destroyed Nara.
SLIDER set to 2.8.0. Mass Prod in 8 turns, -85gpt. We could do 3.7.0 and get it in 9 turns, @ -1gpt, but we would rather get MT 1 turn earlier, that die with cash in the vault!!!
Draft Inf from Washington. Change Courthouse to Cav.
MM Salamanca for Happy. Draft Inf.
Draft Inf from Kyoto.
Draft Inf from New York.
Draft Inf from Boston.
Draft Inf from Phili.
Draft Inf from Atlanta.
Draft Inf from Osaka.
Draft Inf from Chicago.
Draft Inf from seattle.
Draft Inf from Mauch Chunk.
Draft Inf from Sirp-Orange.
Draft Inf from Miami.
Draft Inf from Dark-Green.
Draft Inf from Houston.
Draft Inf from Dark Blue. MM to get barracks in 1.
Draft Inf from St. Louis.
Draft Inf from Tokyo.
Draft Inf from Dark Choc.
Draft Inf from Dark humour.
Draft Inf from Detroit.
Draft Inf from New Orleans. Change Couthouse to Barracks.
Draft Inf from Baltimore.
Draft Inf from Edo.
Draft Inf from Satsuma.
Draft Inf from Rhiems.
Draft Inf from Kagoshima.
Draft Inf from Denver.
Draft Inf from Cincinnati.
Draft Inf from Memphis.
Niagra can't draft. Maybe because size 6 or smaller.
Grand River can't draft.
Cattaraugus can't draft.
St. Regis can't draft.
Akwesasne can't draft.
Nagoya can't draft.
Izumo can't draft.
After all the conscripting (30 inf), -86gpt becomes -135 gpt. 3.7.0 would be 10 turns (not 8), @ -63 gpt. I decide to stay on 2.8.0
QUESTION : Osaka palace pre-build ? We aren't going to get a wonder in the next 17 turns. Obviously we could slow it down, but do we want to lose most prod city now ? I can change it to Int Agency and lose nothing, or hospital, police station etc. this is a 40 shield city : cavalry every 2 turns.
Back to the War :
Sam kills rile N of Memphis, is red-lined.
Art bombards vet cav near Denver - it loses 2hp.
Elite Sam kills wounded cav. no GL.
Art bombards cav near Denver - it loses 1hp.
Elite Cav (4/5) kills wounded cav. no GL.
Vet cav kills Ele - loses 1 hp.
6 enemy dead, no loses.
TRADE & TECH
Persia will give 19gpt for coal. I'm gettting tempted.
We are now rated average vs. India.
ENGLAND have combustion.
End Turn 1
IBT : England want to talk : Swap WM for their WM + 4G.
Vet Inf in CinCin redlines, but Kills attacking Elite Cav.
Many Indian Ironclads bambard Tokyo - no effect. They detroy improve near St. Louis.
Turn 2 : (1220 ad)
Dark Blue builds barracks. I set to Art - The Artillery will be vital in wounding attacking Infantry enough to kill them.
St Louis builds Marketplace, set to Inf.
New Orleans builds barracks. Set to Inf.
Troops arrive from south continent, so 5 cav and a sam go to Denver, then head North and kill sword, 2 spear and longbow. (all with elite units - no GL's !)
Persia will offer 35 gpt for Coal. VERY tempted!
End Turn 2
IBT : Some ironclad bombards, and SOD1 moves SW (1S of Tokyo).
Turn 3 (1230ad)
Kyoto builds Inf. Set to Art.
Bostom Riot. MM.
San fran builds Inf. Set to Art.
Sirp-Orang builds Inf. Set to Inf.
Dark Green builds Inf. Set to inf.
Houston riots. MM.
Dark Choc builds Inf. Set to Inf.
New Orleans Riots. MM.
Heims Ritos. MM.
Denver builds Inf. Set to Barracks.
Elite sam attacks rifle. red-lines, backs away. VatSam attacks rifle. Dies but red-lines him. Vat sam attacks rifle, kills him, captures Catapult.
VEt Inf moves to protect Sam and Cat.
Vet Inf take forest Near Sword.
Vet Sam kills Spear. Vet Sam kills Spear.
Vet sam dies against sword !
Vet Sam kills sword, becomes elite. Moves to Inf and Cat and Sam.
Art Bombard SOD1, take Inf to 1hp. Art Bombard Inf, take him to 1/4hp. art bombard vet musket, take him to 3/4.
Elite Cav kills Musket, loses 2hp, AND GET GL!!!!! TOJO goes to hide in KYOT. He will be for UN ?
Elite Cav redlines against 3/4 musket, takes him to 1/4,retreats.
Elite cav kills 1/4 Inf.
ELite Sam kills Pike.
Elite sam kills musket.
Vet cav kills spear, becomes elite.
Vet Cav kills sword.
Vet cav kills longbow.
Elite Sam kills Longbow.
Lonbow kills longbow.
Sword kills archer/longbow.
All invading forces are dead. We see 2 rifle men, 1 near Memphis, and 1 near New Karachi.
This war is close to turning around, and Us taking the offensive.
MID way thro 3rd turn :
The question's are:
Do we goe NW (right side), NW (left side), or both ?
Do we save GL, or create an army (I'm for saving for UN)?
I want to build ART and INF SoD, with Cav for rapid strikes.
Do you guys agree on running Sci at such a loss (1.40 now)?
I'll check on your responses tomorrow.
Wanderer
King
No responses ??
MY NB questions are:
The question's are:
Do we goe NW (right side), NW (left side), or both ?
Do we save GL, or create an army (I'm for saving for UN)?
I want to build ART and INF SoD, with Cav for rapid strikes.
Do you guys agree on running Sci at such a loss (1.40 now)?
Do I trade with persia - coal for 35gpt?
MY NB questions are:
The question's are:
Do we goe NW (right side), NW (left side), or both ?
Do we save GL, or create an army (I'm for saving for UN)?
I want to build ART and INF SoD, with Cav for rapid strikes.
Do you guys agree on running Sci at such a loss (1.40 now)?
Do I trade with persia - coal for 35gpt?
Wanderer
King
The remainder of my turn:
The war turns
End turn 3
IBT : Some more indian troops of the West. Greek destroyer near Merv (indian city on East coast, just above Kagoshima. Also, an English man-o-war near there.
Turn 4 (1240 ad)
Atlanta builds Uni. Set to Cav.
Kagoshima builds inf. set to cav.
Sam attack reg musk. retreats redlined (musket on 2hp). Elite sam attack musket, redlins and withdraw. Inf kill Musket. Elite sam kills spear, captures 2 cannon. I think we may lose the sam - can't protect him, and I see a cav nearby.
OUR SOD is : 3 art, 4 cav (1 elite), 4 inf, 3 sam (2 elite,1 already gen'd GL).
End turn 4
IBT : About 5 english Man-o-wars now.
Rifle attacks sam, dies. Cavalry attack redlined sam and kills him.
Turn 5 (1250as)
Kyoto builds Art. Set to Art.
Seattle builds Inf. Set to Inf.
San fran builds Art. Set to Art.
Dark Choc builds Inf. Set to Inf.
Denver builds barracks. Set to Inf.
Elite sam kills reg cav.
V Cav kills V cav.
Our SOD is now:
6 vet cav
5 elite cav
5 art
3 elite sam
4 vet inf
Move SOD to range on Cittagong. Art kills 2 citizens, and injures reg inf. Best defnder now a conscript.
Damn - They had a lot of defenders! We lose 2 vet can, 2 elite cav, 2 elite sams. We capture Chittagong, start turning the tide of the war. Chittagong has 2 gems in it's area - hopefully the Indians take a happiness hit.
TECH and TRADE:
Persia now have Mass Prod and FLIGHT. I think we can assume that means they have MT.
Persia will trade 45gpt for coal.
Persia will trade 41 gpt for gems. CAREFUL HERE - these surplus gems are the ones we just captured from Chittagong. If we have a culture flip, we lose them.
ENGLAND still have no techs on us, and still won't trade for Lux's.
MASS PROD on 4 turns. -145 gpt.
Army up to 57 inf, 16 cav, 5 art. We have a catapult and 2 cannon that we captured, and should upgrade.
I think the assult on chittagong proved, cav and sam are gpoing to struggle against inf. We need art to pound them into submission, then we can capture cities.
We've ALMOST passed england on powergraph (3 points behind).
CiaO
PS : I didn't set the buiild queue for Chittagong. Please do that !!!!
Also, we should build cav only to see us through to MT.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/CTR1--1250_AD.SAV
The war turns
End turn 3
IBT : Some more indian troops of the West. Greek destroyer near Merv (indian city on East coast, just above Kagoshima. Also, an English man-o-war near there.
Turn 4 (1240 ad)
Atlanta builds Uni. Set to Cav.
Kagoshima builds inf. set to cav.
Sam attack reg musk. retreats redlined (musket on 2hp). Elite sam attack musket, redlins and withdraw. Inf kill Musket. Elite sam kills spear, captures 2 cannon. I think we may lose the sam - can't protect him, and I see a cav nearby.
OUR SOD is : 3 art, 4 cav (1 elite), 4 inf, 3 sam (2 elite,1 already gen'd GL).
End turn 4
IBT : About 5 english Man-o-wars now.
Rifle attacks sam, dies. Cavalry attack redlined sam and kills him.
Turn 5 (1250as)
Kyoto builds Art. Set to Art.
Seattle builds Inf. Set to Inf.
San fran builds Art. Set to Art.
Dark Choc builds Inf. Set to Inf.
Denver builds barracks. Set to Inf.
Elite sam kills reg cav.
V Cav kills V cav.
Our SOD is now:
6 vet cav
5 elite cav
5 art
3 elite sam
4 vet inf
Move SOD to range on Cittagong. Art kills 2 citizens, and injures reg inf. Best defnder now a conscript.
Damn - They had a lot of defenders! We lose 2 vet can, 2 elite cav, 2 elite sams. We capture Chittagong, start turning the tide of the war. Chittagong has 2 gems in it's area - hopefully the Indians take a happiness hit.
TECH and TRADE:
Persia now have Mass Prod and FLIGHT. I think we can assume that means they have MT.
Persia will trade 45gpt for coal.
Persia will trade 41 gpt for gems. CAREFUL HERE - these surplus gems are the ones we just captured from Chittagong. If we have a culture flip, we lose them.
ENGLAND still have no techs on us, and still won't trade for Lux's.
MASS PROD on 4 turns. -145 gpt.
Army up to 57 inf, 16 cav, 5 art. We have a catapult and 2 cannon that we captured, and should upgrade.
I think the assult on chittagong proved, cav and sam are gpoing to struggle against inf. We need art to pound them into submission, then we can capture cities.
We've ALMOST passed england on powergraph (3 points behind).
CiaO
PS : I didn't set the buiild queue for Chittagong. Please do that !!!!
Also, we should build cav only to see us through to MT.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/CTR1--1250_AD.SAV
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Hey guys, I'm back....don't make me UP yet, tho...put me On Deck if that's ok
Did I miss much?
Did I miss much?
Sorry for not answering you Wanderer, I've been out for the weekend. I will have time later to look at your report and the save. From first glance I'ld say you've done well and a GL to boot!
Wanderer
King
@ChrTh, not much, other than about 6 or 8 techs, 2 wonders, a new war... that's in about the space of 10 turns or so...
You've got "just a little" readin got do.
We definitely need inputs!!
I say we keep the GL for UN. However, that means we can't get any more GL's - is that true ?
We need to decide our long term goals in this war ... is it:
1> try and survive,
2> try and capture some cities ... eg paris with pyramids, and another wonder, and grab some resources / luxes?
3> try and knock india into submission ?
4> destroy india ?
You've got "just a little" readin got do.
We definitely need inputs!!
I say we keep the GL for UN. However, that means we can't get any more GL's - is that true ?
We need to decide our long term goals in this war ... is it:
1> try and survive,
2> try and capture some cities ... eg paris with pyramids, and another wonder, and grab some resources / luxes?
3> try and knock india into submission ?
4> destroy india ?
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Hey Wanderer: Nice!
Taking Chittagong was really important. It will hurt the Indians a lot.
I think we should join some workers into our cities with factories, and try to get them up towards pop20. These should be normal workers, not slaves, as the slaves have no upkeep, and adding foreign nationals to the populations will give us more happiness concerns.
I would make an attempt to take the pyramids city, but I wouldn't expect too much. If we can get around 20 arty and a dozen cavs then this will help.
I would bring all the cavs back from the English mainland, and replace them with conscripted infantry.
I would sign peace as soon as the MPPs expire, or the other Civs make peace. But we should do as much damage as we can in the meantime to try to get something out of the Indians, even if it's only a tech.
If we can steal a tech or two and get our core really productive we might have a shot at a Space win.
The leader (I'm afraid) is next to useless to us at the moment. No-one can win a UN vote now, so IMHO building the UN merely gives us one less pre-build opportunity for the SS. We could save it for Appollo, but thats a long way off yet. Personally I would build a factory with it. Find the most productive city without a factory and build one.
Wanderer, I think you played those 5 turns brilliantly. Well done m8!
Taking Chittagong was really important. It will hurt the Indians a lot.
I think we should join some workers into our cities with factories, and try to get them up towards pop20. These should be normal workers, not slaves, as the slaves have no upkeep, and adding foreign nationals to the populations will give us more happiness concerns.
I would make an attempt to take the pyramids city, but I wouldn't expect too much. If we can get around 20 arty and a dozen cavs then this will help.
I would bring all the cavs back from the English mainland, and replace them with conscripted infantry.
I would sign peace as soon as the MPPs expire, or the other Civs make peace. But we should do as much damage as we can in the meantime to try to get something out of the Indians, even if it's only a tech.
If we can steal a tech or two and get our core really productive we might have a shot at a Space win.
The leader (I'm afraid) is next to useless to us at the moment. No-one can win a UN vote now, so IMHO building the UN merely gives us one less pre-build opportunity for the SS. We could save it for Appollo, but thats a long way off yet. Personally I would build a factory with it. Find the most productive city without a factory and build one.
Wanderer, I think you played those 5 turns brilliantly. Well done m8!
Ok, I have looked at the save. We're in a good position compared to India. Well done, Wanderer!
I *am* a little worried for the southern continent though. We have to keep defending that as well. Especially the cities near England. One defender per city is not enough. England is on warfare production now and maybe will find she's much stronger than we are. Remember the AI knows how our cities are defended (in numbers certainly, if not in strength).
I would us the Palace pre-build for the Intelligence Agency, even if this will cause some shield loss. Osaka maybe can generate people to grow our factory cities.
Edo could be fitted with a factory using the leader. We could also opt for a defending/pillaging army.
I *am* a little worried for the southern continent though. We have to keep defending that as well. Especially the cities near England. One defender per city is not enough. England is on warfare production now and maybe will find she's much stronger than we are. Remember the AI knows how our cities are defended (in numbers certainly, if not in strength).
I would us the Palace pre-build for the Intelligence Agency, even if this will cause some shield loss. Osaka maybe can generate people to grow our factory cities.
Edo could be fitted with a factory using the leader. We could also opt for a defending/pillaging army.
