Who do you mean should settle it? The problem with Poland settling the area is that there are no prominent cities of Polish origin around.
Yep. The charm of Belgrade is that it makes sense under Austrian, Byzantine and Turkish control.
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Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
HRE should settle it, they (unfortunately) represent the Teutonic Order more than anybody.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
Yes. Belgrade 1N of the Copper would be good.
Königsberg/Memel (the Memel tile should also be Königsberg, imo) is actually historically okay to get flipped from HRE to Poland and then to Prussia. Maybe you should discourage HRE settling it even though, because it never really was part of HRE (first part of Poland, then part of Brandenburg-Prussia. See "king IN prussia" in the early 1700s when Prussia was part of Poland).
On this matter, I would strongly suggest of changing one of the Carpathian Peaks to a hill, giving Poland one more tile to work with (maybe the one 1S1E of Krakow).
Belgrade sounds good, but what about Ragusa? Ragusa was a very important city in that region, something like a second Venice. Or Sarajevo 1N of the copper?
Though I'm fine with Belgrade, too.
And by the way, I love this mod even more with the new Civs!
I have to disagree. The region the Teutonic Order ruled was officially a part of Poland/a Polish feud (as was the Duchy of Prussia until 1657).
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
I meant the region until Poland spawn
Poland ought to flip the area no matter who settles it. It is only for about 100 years that will be insignificant. Honestly, who (as a player) cares about a city if they know it is going to flip?
Anyway, the Polish UP (if possible) should be changed to in Core/Historical/Contested Areas. It feels pretty insane for me (who does not do very much conquest in RFC if it is not for the UHV to have no problems stability wise (Monarch) taking over Germany, Italy, Greece and splitting Russia with the Mongols and still being Solid. My economy is only at +7, but rising, and my cities, despite all the conquest is only at -3 from excessively whipping Crossbow and Knights (which for this reason I think should be changed back to guilds, Knights+Crossbows in Medieval Europe are completely unstoppable).
Poland ought to flip the area no matter who settles it. It is only for about 100 years that will be insignificant. Honestly, who (as a player) cares about a city if they know it is going to flip?
Anyway, the Polish UP (if possible) should be changed to in Core/Historical/Contested Areas. It feels pretty insane for me (who does not do very much conquest in RFC if it is not for the UHV to have no problems stability wise (Monarch) taking over Germany, Italy, Greece and splitting Russia with the Mongols and still being Solid. My economy is only at +7, but rising, and my cities, despite all the conquest is only at -3 from excessively whipping Crossbow and Knights (which for this reason I think should be changed back to guilds, Knights+Crossbows in Medieval Europe are completely unstoppable).
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
That would work, but Poland, not Lithuania, is the civilization. I figure can stay as is though, until we see the UHVs.
The problem is, the Teutonic Order didn't even start in Old Prussia before 1025 so their stuff flipping to them would still be weird. Another solution would be to exclude Old Prussia from the Polish core so they would have to go to war for it (Tannenberg/Grunwald style).
Yeah, plus it would bother me to see HRE waste its settlers there for no reason. I agree that the Memel tile could be Königsberg too, especially if the tile east of the Vistula's mouth is considered Gdansk instead.
That'd be better, yes.
I thought of these too, but Belgrade has the advantage of being a fairly prominent city through all of European history.
Well, let's see if it all works out
Sure, the question is
a) do we want AI HRE to waste a settler?
b) do we want Poland to flip a free city
Imo, that just shows how broken the stability system with regards to foreign culture is. It's rather nonsensical because foreign culture causes unhappiness, which causes instability, but foreign culture itself causes instability as well. I'm considering to remove the direct stability effect of foreign culture and instead make holding core cities more penalizing, or something.
Now for the Polish UP itself, maybe it's better to limit it to cities where they already have a cultural majority? So there wouldn't be any penalty from foreign culture encroaching on your own cities, but you'd still get it for conquered ones.
Poland covers Lithuania, especially the PLC. It makes more sense that way, because you can justify a larger historical area and more interesting UHVs. Also, [insert Polish nationalism about how Lithuania never had any say in the Commonwealth and totally didn't matter at all].
Civciv5
Grand Emperor
Here is the art for the Tibetan snow lion and my new Suryavarman LH (you didn't answer my question).
I also suggest to use melcher kürzer's Frederick Barbarossa.
Maybe you can use my Khri ma lod LH as herself,she was the empress regent of Tibet and she expanded the Tibetan Empire greatly(and the game could use some more women leaders).
I also suggest to use melcher kürzer's Frederick Barbarossa.
Maybe you can use my Khri ma lod LH as herself,she was the empress regent of Tibet and she expanded the Tibetan Empire greatly(and the game could use some more women leaders).
Spoiler Khri ma lod :
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
I think that if Poland does not start with city X, give them more army in Krakow to start.
However, Poland should get City X from the Holy Romans because:
It usually gives them units to help take Kiev
HRE can waste a settler. In that case, they should not settle Hamburg/Kiel or take Venedig.
On the case of Culture and expansion instability, make it so that taking over cities without Occupation or Imperialism screws you over if they are not in Core, Historical, or Contested and that civ is dead.
However, Poland should get City X from the Holy Romans because:
It usually gives them units to help take Kiev
HRE can waste a settler. In that case, they should not settle Hamburg/Kiel or take Venedig.
On the case of Culture and expansion instability, make it so that taking over cities without Occupation or Imperialism screws you over if they are not in Core, Historical, or Contested and that civ is dead.
Tomorrow's Dawn
Heroes Never Die
Pitch time:
Polish UU:
Winged Hussar
Replaces Cuirassier
13 STR
Starts with Drill I
Access to Drill line
+10% Strength fighting in friendly territory
Polish UU:
Winged Hussar
Replaces Cuirassier
13 STR
Starts with Drill I
Access to Drill line
+10% Strength fighting in friendly territory
Thanks.
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
Finally collapsed as Poland without civic change 1504-- Lack of foreign due to too many wars, never seen it that low. Lack of cities due to Aztec and Inca cities. Had : Poland (duh), Russia, Italy, Germany, Greece, France, Anatolia, Scandinavia, Aztec, Inca. Spain as vassal.
Met Poland AI with Japan 1200 AD. Score 322, last in Europe. Seem to have MAJOR problems tech-wise. Seem to have researched Guilds and nothing else in 35 turns.
Met Poland AI with Japan 1200 AD. Score 322, last in Europe. Seem to have MAJOR problems tech-wise. Seem to have researched Guilds and nothing else in 35 turns.
Yes, I've noticed their tech problems and have started to address that by giving them a slight tech increase and more starting techs. Probably needs further work though.
I've also done the Polish UHV:
- Have three cities of size 12 or larger in 1350 AD*
- Be first to discover Liberalism
- Build a Catholic and an Orthodox Cathedral by 1600 AD**
*size threshold can be increased if too easy
**can add Protestant Cathedral if too easy
I've also added Belgrade (removed one peak NE of the copper, the Balkans are small enough already). The Silesian what has moved 1N so it is within reach of Berlin and Krakow, but out of Wien's reach. There's a new what 1E of Wien instead. Krakow can reach both but that usually only works if both Germanies are dead. I've kept the Carpathians and its iron as they are; HRE should found Buda less often now so it'll be in Krakow's reach.
I still need to address HRE's abysmal behavior in settling the North Sea coast which they don't do at all at the moment.
Also, I've given AI England some Heavy Swordsmen on spawn and they're doing much better now. I haven't seen crippled England in my test games and they've started colonizing more again, usually leading the scoreboard along with France, Spain or the Ottomans in the 18th century, which is fine.
Commit follows soon.
I've also done the Polish UHV:
- Have three cities of size 12 or larger in 1350 AD*
- Be first to discover Liberalism
- Build a Catholic and an Orthodox Cathedral by 1600 AD**
*size threshold can be increased if too easy
**can add Protestant Cathedral if too easy
I've also added Belgrade (removed one peak NE of the copper, the Balkans are small enough already). The Silesian what has moved 1N so it is within reach of Berlin and Krakow, but out of Wien's reach. There's a new what 1E of Wien instead. Krakow can reach both but that usually only works if both Germanies are dead. I've kept the Carpathians and its iron as they are; HRE should found Buda less often now so it'll be in Krakow's reach.
I still need to address HRE's abysmal behavior in settling the North Sea coast which they don't do at all at the moment.
Also, I've given AI England some Heavy Swordsmen on spawn and they're doing much better now. I haven't seen crippled England in my test games and they've started colonizing more again, usually leading the scoreboard along with France, Spain or the Ottomans in the 18th century, which is fine.
Commit follows soon.
Hippo8085
Shaken, not stirred
On the Baltic Area:
a) Memel spawns Indie at 600 AD (not very historical) and flips Poland-Prussia (porbably gets taken by HRE)
b) Memel spawns Indie at 1000 AD after heavily encouraging the HRE not to settle there and flips Poland-Prussia
c) Leave as is: HRE settles Memel and it flips Poland-Prussia.
a) Memel spawns Indie at 600 AD (not very historical) and flips Poland-Prussia (porbably gets taken by HRE)
b) Memel spawns Indie at 1000 AD after heavily encouraging the HRE not to settle there and flips Poland-Prussia
c) Leave as is: HRE settles Memel and it flips Poland-Prussia.
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
And Astronomy. Copernicus remains one of the most famous Poles ever, if not the most famous.
Together with the Cathedrals goal, it would give Poland the interesting choice between bulbing Astronomy and Printing Press with Liberalism.
Or just "Build 3 Cathedrals".
I'm rather leaning towards d) No spawn, bar HRE from settling the Baltic, let Poland use its second settler instead.
Memel could be Medvegalis (not the same city, but close), the western Königsberg tile can be Gdansk.
Good idea!
Would work too (I realize I need to correct the code because currently you could also conquer a Cathedral ...).
iOnlySignIn
Prince$s
Don't religious buildings always get destroyed upon conquest? I certainly don't recall ever conquering a city and finding religious buildings inside. Unless I'm playing Arabia of course.
Also, I'm glad you're not arguing that Copernicus is German.
To me, he's both, but there are many Germans and hardly any Poles more famous than him.You're right of course.
We're quite content with Kepler actuallyAlso, I'm glad you're not arguing that Copernicus is German.
Seriously though, I don't think Copernicus is particularly Polish either. Nationality is impossible to transfer into the Middle Ages, and Corpernicus himself probably wouldn't understand what the fuss is all about. But if I had to pin him down, he's clearly Polish.
