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BenZL43 · Jul 8, 2012

My opinion on this City-As-Improvement (whatever you guys call it, I'm calling it CAI for short

) mechanic :

It does drastically change settler civs. An obvious example is that Spain now settle Toledo on the Horse instead of Madrid next to it. (As ironic as it may seem, it is historical --" :lol:

)

I think this CAI should not be generalized to be used all over the world
Let's implement this CAI only on :

- All single-tiled island (Cyprus, etc.)
- Sri Lanka
- Java and the attached Bali
- Hawaii? I don't remember how they looks like now.
- South Africa (Winburg? I forgotten the name)

And then,
This is to prevent Human abusing this mechanic

AI got 100% effect according to the era
Human got 50-75% of the effect according to the era

So if for example, resource A grant 6 hammer : AI got 6 and Human got 3.

That's my opinion so far

Leoreth · Jul 8, 2012

That's too complicated and arbitrary.

Hippo8085 · Jul 8, 2012

With the addition of Poland, Russia should get yellow stability in much of Poland's core. Currently unnecessary as Russia has no prayer of taking it from the Holy Romans or Prussia.

By the way, what will you do to Prussia's spawn zone to make it have more of Prussia and not have Poland dominate the region? Move Poland south like the HRE moves east?

civ_king · Jul 8, 2012

The AI seems to refuse to build cottages, outside of my territory there are only 5, 4 of which are Spanish and 1 of which was made by Independent Kiev. This is because all the Euros love Urbanization save the Spanish. Naturally this sucks really really bad for a Vikings player.

I never see Cuba settled, perhaps it should be part of the Spanish trading company? Also can you get Spain to stop settling Tampa? It was settled by the Americans and is worse in ever way AFAIK than San Agustín

Is it possible to add 1 merchant to the bank? Trading company also seems like it should have some merchant slots.

Caesar Augustus · Jul 9, 2012

Excluding food seems like a fair enough choice. There will still probably be some different cities getting settled (which in a way is a good thing) to take advantage of the new mechanic, but 2 or 3 extra commerce or production in a city tile makes a lot less difference than 3 or 4 extra food.

Leoreth · Jul 9, 2012

Playable Poland is now in the SVN.

I'm aware of the fact that its situation is still a little suboptimal. HRE needs to settle differently now, I'll take care of that later.

Hippo8085 · Jul 9, 2012

I must notice playable, not fully playable, its okay, I'll go for a conquest victory first from the UP.
Continuing on that game - UP should probably be changed, I am not going unstable after conquering most of Russia, and my economy is not booming either.

At this point, what Poland has proven to me is that a lot of the instability from conquering is from the culture left in the city.

Kiev is incredibly Polish for me and the AI (AI 3/3) (Me 1/1)

I'll post a rise and fall of AI Poland tomorrow.

Civciv5 · Jul 10, 2012

Please help!

hoplitejoe · Jul 10, 2012

I have literally just updated the SVN so it would seems like the problem is at your end.

Civciv5 · Jul 10, 2012

I have literally just updated the SVN so it would seems like the problem is at your end

Failure!
Please help!
I really want to play this awesome mod!

AdrienIer · Jul 10, 2012

Are you sure you've got the right repository there ? I'm not on my computer so I can't check my settings but I'm not sure you've got the good URL.

Civciv5 · Jul 10, 2012

This is the repository that I used:"https://www.assembla.com/code/Dawn_of_Civilization/subversion/nodes"
Help!
Help!
Help!

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AdrienIer · Jul 10, 2012

The link looks fine... sorry can't help you, hope Leoreth will be able to help.

Civciv5 · Jul 10, 2012

Problem solved!
Thanks to myself!

Civciv5 · Jul 10, 2012

I just checked out he last svn-version and it looks great.
A few suggestions:
Tibet's flag and emblem should be a mountain lion
Tibet could use an early LH,Songtsen Gampo or Khri ma lod
Rajendra Chola's LH is not accurate
Statue of a Chola king

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One of my LHs matches it quite good

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Suryavarman II's LH is also not accurate (I always thought that)
Bas-relief of Suryavarman II

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Khmer Emperor in a documentary

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One of my unreleased LHs fits quite good

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I can send you the files if you are interested
That's all for now...

Hippo8085 · Jul 10, 2012

Here is lovely AI Poland (Epic Speed, I am America, 600 AD)

Spoiler :

iOnlySignIn · Jul 10, 2012

When a new civ spawns, cities within the fat cross of its spawn point should be auto-razed into Towns.

iOnlySignIn · Jul 10, 2012

Civciv5 said:
Rajendra Chola's LH is not accurate
Statue of a Chola king

Spoiler :

That is a completely generic Buddhist/Hindu style statue. If you base the looks of Rajendra Chola on that then every historical person in South/Southeast Asia look exactly the same.

Your Sury LH is definitely a big improvement on the current one.

Your Chola LH looks African. Even more so than the current one.

Leoreth · Jul 10, 2012

Civciv5 said:
I just checked out he last svn-version and it looks great.

Thanks!

A few suggestions:
Tibet's flag and emblem should be a mountain lion

Do you have art for that? I mean actual ingame flag decal alphas and button art?

Tibet could use an early LH,Songtsen Gampo or Khri ma lod

Yeah, I already had in mind to add Songtsen Gampo. I only added one leader for every new civ to get it into a workable condition.

Rajendra Chola's LH is not accurate
Statue of a Chola king

As IOSI already said, Buddhist/Hindu statues are usually quite idealized so that doesn't really tell us anything about how Rajendra looked like. And for the current LH I'm more concerned about his background picture to be honest.

Hippo8085 said:
Here is lovely AI Poland (Epic Speed, I am America, 600 AD)

Oh, thanks, that's interesting. I didn't have the time to see how the AI performs with it. It looks quite okay, I had hoped they would grab Kiev first and then lose it to the Russians, and then become reduced to Krakow only after the Prussian spawn.

By the way, if you wondered about the city names, I haven't done the Polish city renaming yet (else you'd see Klajpeda and Kijów instead). Most of the settler name map could be scavenged from Russia which used Polish names in the area.

I'm not sure what to do about Königsberg/Memel, though. If I allow HRE to settle there, they waste one settler and lose it to Poland afterwards. Not good for balance and it feels rather wrong. Maybe I should make it Gdansk east of the river for Poland too? Or Poland could go and settle a Baltic city, like Riga. On the other hand, I rather liked that Memel or Königsberg were present to give Prussia a familiar shape after it flips it.

Oh, and I'll probably add at least one food resource, presumably in the Silesia area, so that both Krakow and later Berlin can benefit. I might also move the Carpathian iron.

iOnlySignIn said:
When a new civ spawns, cities within the fat cross of its spawn point should be auto-razed into Towns.

Oh, that could end up annoying. But I'll get rid of that specific Budapest location.

The Balkans as a whole are unsatisfying right now, and imo Byzantium/Turkey are to blame. Constantinople produces so much culture that nobody else can settle there, or wants to. I don't really know how to solve it but maybe an independent city is a good idea? Like Belgrade?

Hippo8085 · Jul 10, 2012

I think they should be settled, then flipped. HRE player will not settle there and hopefully AI Poland will. HRE has enough space without the settlers and should be encouraged after the Poland spawn to settle Berlin or in one of the tiles around it.

Belgrade would be nice for HRE/Austria. Big history there.

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