Current (SVN) development discussion thread

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

I was holding Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Persia and Egypt.

Yeah, it's a mess right there.
Anatolia flips to Byzantines+Ottomans.
Mesopotamia flips to Arabia.
Egypt flips to Arabia+Egypt.

There are very few safe sites to build/conquer if you happen to be not playing for UHV like me.

AFAIK:
-Rome
-Kiev
-Hanseong
-uhhh...Siberian cities...
-Americas (post-Astronomy)

You could even do something as outlandish as me; invade England.
That's seriously how unrewarding it is to build/conquer historically as Achaemenid or Parthian Persia.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Well, I resisted Arabia and the Byzantines. And yeah, I did want to prevail historically against all odds. Was doing fine until the Seljuks started to spawn in Syria.

 

[Jusos2108]

Personally I have never found the Seljuks to be anything else than a nuisance. Playing as Persia you have to prepare for the Arabian spawn with dumbos, so there should be lots to spare after 1000AD. The flipping to arabia can be minimized by keeping your stacks outside the flipping area and reinforcing Babilu and Jerusalem or Sur when needed. Also unless you want have a third wave against your flipped units, disband the ones ending their turns in Arabian flipping zone (buhuu, you can build new ones).

So when the Seljuks come, just collect the free exp. Keep your dumbos healthy by throwing a suicide 2x barrage catapult against every stack, so they can attack the following turn. Prefer 9 exp dumbos for this, so the upgrade on the next turn heals your units instantly.

It is really quite easy to be honest. Check here.

 

[civ_king]

Please start Italy with an explorer, it'll get to China around the time of Marco Polo.

How is Italy supposed to get those techs to build them in the UHV time frame?

 

[Lone Wolf]

reinforcing Babilu and Jerusalem or Sur when needed.

Babylon and Jerusalem are in Arabian flip area...

I guess I don't understand what do the Seljuks add to the gameplay. It's like adding The Hundred Years' War, American invasion of Iraq, historical Second World War and the Mongolian invasion of Java and Japan. We already have the Mongolians as invaders of the Middle East, why do we need to have the same thing earlier as well?

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Alternatively, you can head east and conquer either China or India.
In the case of India, you will have to deal with Mughals flipping at least one city.
In the case of China, there are more Mongols to deal with.
Jusos has proven both of these approaches work.
I still think there is some way to go West myself, but maintenance is kind of killer.

 

[Jusos2108]

Babylon and Jerusalem are in Arabian flip area...
...snip

Yeees, that's why you don't want to keep troops in these cities, instead you reinforce them...

 

[Lone Wolf]

Reinforcing them means placing troops in them, right?

 

[Jusos2108]

Yes, but you only do that when the Arabs are threatening them. Read my original post with thought. I have emphasized few sections, so that you get it.

Personally I have never found the Seljuks to be anything else than a nuisance. Playing as Persia you have to prepare for the Arabian spawn with dumbos, so there should be lots to spare after 1000AD. The flipping to arabia can be minimized by keeping your stacks outside the flipping area and reinforcing Babilu and Jerusalem or Sur when needed. Also unless you want have a third wave against your flipped units, disband the ones ending their turns in Arabian flipping zone (buhuu, you can build new ones).

So when the Seljuks come, just collect the free exp. Keep your dumbos healthy by throwing a suicide 2x barrage catapult against every stack, so they can attack the following turn. Prefer 9 exp dumbos for this, so the upgrade on the next turn heals your units instantly.

It is really quite easy to be honest. Check here.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Yeah, the Seljuks are really just free exp. Same with the Mongols.
I'd wait till auto-stack drop is fixed though. It really throws a wrench in the plans
and I despise using WorldBuilder to fix it.

 

[BenZL43]

Safavids and especially Mughals were never Arabic. Egyptian respawn is the only thing that divides the DoC Arabs. To me, RFC Arabs still represent non-Turkish Muslim polities east of Suez.

Ah, apparently I don't write it correctly
Here's the fix

Though I don't recall a major differ of this civilization from the vanilla version like Khmer one, they can't be considered historical again in DoC as they do not cover the united Arabian Islamic civilization anymore.

Only from the CNM,
I see that RFC Arab got settler name and conquest name on Egypt, Spain, Persia, Greece, Indonesia, India, and Maghreb.

Right now in DoC, we already have respawned Egypt, future Moors, Seljuk & Savafid, Indonesia and Mughal so DoC Arabs don't represent the Islamic civilization anymore and the UHV etc starts to become unhistorical with all of these new civilization.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I never considered the RFC Arabs to properly represent the Mughals and the Indonesians. They have some names there because it is the closest it came to representation, that's all.

Right now in DoC, we already have respawned Egypt, future Moors, Seljuk & Savafid, Indonesia and Mughal so DoC Arabs don't represent the Islamic civilization anymore

That's why I specified "non-Turkish Muslim east of Suez". Let them also represent the pre-Ilkhanate Iran as well.

It is really quite easy to be honest. Check here.

It wasn't easy for me at all - it was the most scary invasion I ever suffered in RFC. RFC AI's typically invade you with smaller stacks! And I am not that incompetent in warring - I regularly repel the Amerindian conquerors without losing a city.

But even if it is easy, why is it needed at all? The whole concept behind them is predeterminist to the degree I don't like in RFC.

 

[BenZL43]

That's why I specified "non-Turkish Muslim east of Suez". Let them also represent the pre-Ilkhanate Iran as well.

If so, then Arabian UHV needs to be changed to control Iberia, Maghrib, Egypt and Persia by 800ADs or maximum 1000AD.

Wait, is that possible? I've never tried it.

 

[Lone Wolf]

What does all that has to do with Arabian UHV?

 

[Leoreth]

The Arabian territorial UHV is to defend the Caliphate against these invasions.

 

[BenZL43]

Never mind.
Looks like I mis-read the Arabian UHV to control ... until 1500 AD ==

 

[Acmeandco]

Are the new civs going to be playable soon? (Harrapans, Kongolese, Moors, Polish, Tibetans)
What are the plans for them being added into the game? There's probably a thread somewhere for this, but I can't find it.

 

[Leoreth]

There's been no extra thread on them so far, most of that has been discussed in the main thread.

Now that you're asking, I've added a new third goal for the Tamils:

-acquire 4000 gold through trade (trade routes, diplomacy, trade missions) by 1200 AD

... and played until I achieved that goal with them. They seem to be fine so far, so now I can move on to add another. I think I'll do Poland next.

 

[fabe]

I think I'll do Poland next.

 

[Acmeandco]

I've added a new third goal for the Tamils:

-acquire 4000 gold through trade (trade routes, diplomacy, trade missions) by 1200 AD

Thank you for the information. I haven't updated yet to get this new UHV, but have you also added the tick marks on the Victory Condition screen for the Tamils?

I think I'll do Poland next.

I can't wait. What are the UHVs going to be?