DaNES II: When the Stars Fall
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Cynovolans
Not in my dimension.
Confirming the Kingdom of Chaonia.
Basileus Andronikos I of the Perseid Empire reporting for duty.
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
Thinking about taking Jin-guk. But I'm not entirely sure. I'll probably need to research some stuff first.
And now, a brief overview of the Cambrian Confederation:
Each of the thirteen kingdoms are very much independent. Think of it more of a Staatenbund than a Bundesstaat, if such concepts existed back then. The kings each rule over their lands with very high autonomy. Once a year, the Cambric Council meets in the holy grounds of Cairnnewydd to discuss matters such as foreign policy and the common army and navy, but they have little power elsewhere. Instead, in order to understand Cambria, one must understand its constituent kingdoms.
Ceredigion Militarily, they are the most powerful kingdom in the Confederacy, mainly because they havent lost nearly as many men to the Rygi. In addition, they have access to much of the coastline, and while Cairnnewydd technically isnt a part of their territory, it is certainly well within their borders. They tend to by rather aggressive due to the fact that its not going to be their guys who will be dying.
Powys They are a major rival of Ceredigion, mainly due to the fact that most trade has to go through the much more urbanized ports of its neighbor, who tends to levy a hefty duty. In addition, they are somewhat displeased with the current political situation, due to the fact that the more influential Ceredigion tends to get its way.
Gwent A small kingdom, they are usually dwarfed by its neighbors Ceredigion, Powys, and Dobunni. They tend to side with the Ceredigions in disputes, typically in return for lower levies on goods.
Dobunni Their most notable claim to fame is the major port along the Afon Hafren[1], which provides most of their wealth. They provide the trading center for several inland kingdoms, though they tend to find themselves competing with Ceredigion, who tends to be more accessible to foreign and northern trading partners. The border with the Rygi tends to make them rather paranoid, and they usually try to push for a stronger navy.
Dyfnaint Typically, they are one of the most ardent supporters against the Rygi, being almost cut off from the rest of the Confederacy and whatnot. They tend to be rather worrisome of Rygi power and are the source of many border skirmishes over the past fifty years. They also would like to see a strong navy, for obvious reasons.
Ancalite Originally from the central stretches of Afon Tafwys[2], they have been forced upriver after the arrival of the Germans. They are always on the front lines, and they tend to be the frequent target of raids. They are mostly in favor of raiding the Rygi (since theyll end up getting the money!), but they dont want to have to deal with the bloodshed of all-out war.
Pengwern Once a part of Powys, Pengwern became a kingdom in its own right around the time of the first Germanic invasion. Still, they tend to look up to and be somewhat dependent on Powys for support, and thus almost always sides with their benefactors to the west.
Catuvellauni Like the Ancalites, they too were forced from their native lands along the Thames. Unlike the Ancalites, however, they have a strong desire to return to their home and drive the Germans to the sea.
Cornovii A small kingdom located along Afon Merswy[3], they are typically dwarfed by their neighbors when it comes to policy. They are one of the few kingdoms who outright support peace, though that can mostly be attributed to not being on the front lines and having nothing to gain by winning.
Elmet They are a fairly weak kingdom despite their size. Theyd rather not fight if they dont have to, due to their proximity to the Rygi. On the other hand, they are in favor of enlarging the common army, so they would have a better time defending in case things go sour.
Rheged Theyre sufficiently far enough away from the Rygi that they probably wont get screwed unless things get really bad, but they tend to be at the whims of the Ceredigions. They also show a moderate desire to perform raids against Ystrad Clud, since that would provide them with a nice batch of income.
Corieltauvi They and the Elmet share the unique distinction of being the only kingdoms along the coast of Morimaru[4], but Corieltauvi has the advantage of not being perpetually in fear of a Rygi invasion. They are generally close to the Rheged when it comes to raiding Ystrad Clud, but other than that they tend to get bullied by Ceredigion.
Aeron During the collapse of Gododdin, the southern Aerons managed to break free and form their own kingdom. The turmoil to the north caused them to seek refuge in the Cambrian Confederacy, and the Confederacy was willing to take them in. They wish to see the kingdoms of the Ystrad Clud join Cambria, but they havent exactly seen much success. Also, they are still seen as foreigners, having not been around at the Battle of Corieltauvi Ratae.
It should be noted that some kingdoms tend to be closer than others. For example, Ceredigion, Gwent, Dyfnaint, and Corieltauvi are all generally rather supportive of war against the Rygi (though fifty years of relative peace has calmed them down somewhat) and tend to favour a stronger navy, primarily due to the coastal locations of those kingdoms. Meanwhile, Powys, Dobunni, Pengwern, and Elmet tend to prefer not to go to all-out war with the Rygi, but would like to have a strong common army, just in case things turn sour.
[1] River Severn
[2] River Thames
[3] River Mersey
[4] North Sea
Each of the thirteen kingdoms are very much independent. Think of it more of a Staatenbund than a Bundesstaat, if such concepts existed back then. The kings each rule over their lands with very high autonomy. Once a year, the Cambric Council meets in the holy grounds of Cairnnewydd to discuss matters such as foreign policy and the common army and navy, but they have little power elsewhere. Instead, in order to understand Cambria, one must understand its constituent kingdoms.
Ceredigion Militarily, they are the most powerful kingdom in the Confederacy, mainly because they havent lost nearly as many men to the Rygi. In addition, they have access to much of the coastline, and while Cairnnewydd technically isnt a part of their territory, it is certainly well within their borders. They tend to by rather aggressive due to the fact that its not going to be their guys who will be dying.
Powys They are a major rival of Ceredigion, mainly due to the fact that most trade has to go through the much more urbanized ports of its neighbor, who tends to levy a hefty duty. In addition, they are somewhat displeased with the current political situation, due to the fact that the more influential Ceredigion tends to get its way.
Gwent A small kingdom, they are usually dwarfed by its neighbors Ceredigion, Powys, and Dobunni. They tend to side with the Ceredigions in disputes, typically in return for lower levies on goods.
Dobunni Their most notable claim to fame is the major port along the Afon Hafren[1], which provides most of their wealth. They provide the trading center for several inland kingdoms, though they tend to find themselves competing with Ceredigion, who tends to be more accessible to foreign and northern trading partners. The border with the Rygi tends to make them rather paranoid, and they usually try to push for a stronger navy.
Dyfnaint Typically, they are one of the most ardent supporters against the Rygi, being almost cut off from the rest of the Confederacy and whatnot. They tend to be rather worrisome of Rygi power and are the source of many border skirmishes over the past fifty years. They also would like to see a strong navy, for obvious reasons.
Ancalite Originally from the central stretches of Afon Tafwys[2], they have been forced upriver after the arrival of the Germans. They are always on the front lines, and they tend to be the frequent target of raids. They are mostly in favor of raiding the Rygi (since theyll end up getting the money!), but they dont want to have to deal with the bloodshed of all-out war.
Pengwern Once a part of Powys, Pengwern became a kingdom in its own right around the time of the first Germanic invasion. Still, they tend to look up to and be somewhat dependent on Powys for support, and thus almost always sides with their benefactors to the west.
Catuvellauni Like the Ancalites, they too were forced from their native lands along the Thames. Unlike the Ancalites, however, they have a strong desire to return to their home and drive the Germans to the sea.
Cornovii A small kingdom located along Afon Merswy[3], they are typically dwarfed by their neighbors when it comes to policy. They are one of the few kingdoms who outright support peace, though that can mostly be attributed to not being on the front lines and having nothing to gain by winning.
Elmet They are a fairly weak kingdom despite their size. Theyd rather not fight if they dont have to, due to their proximity to the Rygi. On the other hand, they are in favor of enlarging the common army, so they would have a better time defending in case things go sour.
Rheged Theyre sufficiently far enough away from the Rygi that they probably wont get screwed unless things get really bad, but they tend to be at the whims of the Ceredigions. They also show a moderate desire to perform raids against Ystrad Clud, since that would provide them with a nice batch of income.
Corieltauvi They and the Elmet share the unique distinction of being the only kingdoms along the coast of Morimaru[4], but Corieltauvi has the advantage of not being perpetually in fear of a Rygi invasion. They are generally close to the Rheged when it comes to raiding Ystrad Clud, but other than that they tend to get bullied by Ceredigion.
Aeron During the collapse of Gododdin, the southern Aerons managed to break free and form their own kingdom. The turmoil to the north caused them to seek refuge in the Cambrian Confederacy, and the Confederacy was willing to take them in. They wish to see the kingdoms of the Ystrad Clud join Cambria, but they havent exactly seen much success. Also, they are still seen as foreigners, having not been around at the Battle of Corieltauvi Ratae.
It should be noted that some kingdoms tend to be closer than others. For example, Ceredigion, Gwent, Dyfnaint, and Corieltauvi are all generally rather supportive of war against the Rygi (though fifty years of relative peace has calmed them down somewhat) and tend to favour a stronger navy, primarily due to the coastal locations of those kingdoms. Meanwhile, Powys, Dobunni, Pengwern, and Elmet tend to prefer not to go to all-out war with the Rygi, but would like to have a strong common army, just in case things turn sour.
[1] River Severn
[2] River Thames
[3] River Mersey
[4] North Sea
Perfectionist
Angel of Verdun
I say Dachs, could I request a faction rundown for Rygia?
Ninja, Jin-guk is permNPCed for now though I may add stats later in the week if places like Patalene and Kaspeireia are filled up. Patalene in particular could perform very well with a quality NESer. 
Rygi: the Rygi group of Germanic dudes, originally East Germanic but ended up adopting a West Germanic language when they were forced into Frisia several centuries ago by the turmoil associated with the first migration period. Nowadays they are starting to speak something rather akin to Old English. Settled in OMD Kent and Sussex, mostly. Overall they tend to be more loyal to the kings, because the kings are Rygi. Usually can be counted on to support wars with the Cambrians, especially if they are successful. Are more accepting of Ronding settlers than the Kimbria.
Kimbria: the Kimbria group of Germanic dudes, originally from southern Jutland, ish. Settled in OTL East, South, and Middle Anglia. Have been heavily depleted by wars against the Cambrians and usually oppose those nowadays. Not very accepting of the Rondings because they fear being politically overwhelmed by the new group, being much more numerically vulnerable than the Rygi.
Rondinga: the Ronding group of Germanic dudes, originally from various Jutlandish places. Settling in OMD Essex. Relatively new arrivals (with more groups arriving as time goes on) and fairly weak, continue to speak an East Germanic dialect. Feared by the Kimbria, though not so much by the Rygi. Unhappy about being marginalized, haven't been granted a whole lot of territory in which to settle thus far.
Brythonic natives: ought to be quite self-explanatory, the Brythonic people who originally lived in this territory. Are numerically greatest on the upper Thames. In some places they are starting to assimilate reasonably well (chiefly in Rygi-settled territory). Overall they are regarded as a dangerous fifth column but outside of a few sporadic attempts by local Brythonic magnates in western Rygia to either rebel or support invading Cambrian armies they haven't really been a military factor. (Yet?)
You could!
Rygi: the Rygi group of Germanic dudes, originally East Germanic but ended up adopting a West Germanic language when they were forced into Frisia several centuries ago by the turmoil associated with the first migration period. Nowadays they are starting to speak something rather akin to Old English. Settled in OMD Kent and Sussex, mostly. Overall they tend to be more loyal to the kings, because the kings are Rygi. Usually can be counted on to support wars with the Cambrians, especially if they are successful. Are more accepting of Ronding settlers than the Kimbria.
Kimbria: the Kimbria group of Germanic dudes, originally from southern Jutland, ish. Settled in OTL East, South, and Middle Anglia. Have been heavily depleted by wars against the Cambrians and usually oppose those nowadays. Not very accepting of the Rondings because they fear being politically overwhelmed by the new group, being much more numerically vulnerable than the Rygi.
Rondinga: the Ronding group of Germanic dudes, originally from various Jutlandish places. Settling in OMD Essex. Relatively new arrivals (with more groups arriving as time goes on) and fairly weak, continue to speak an East Germanic dialect. Feared by the Kimbria, though not so much by the Rygi. Unhappy about being marginalized, haven't been granted a whole lot of territory in which to settle thus far.
Brythonic natives: ought to be quite self-explanatory, the Brythonic people who originally lived in this territory. Are numerically greatest on the upper Thames. In some places they are starting to assimilate reasonably well (chiefly in Rygi-settled territory). Overall they are regarded as a dangerous fifth column but outside of a few sporadic attempts by local Brythonic magnates in western Rygia to either rebel or support invading Cambrian armies they haven't really been a military factor. (Yet?)
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
Well then I guess I'll just wait awhile and see if I find something that interests me.
PMed.
Perfectionist
Angel of Verdun
So the dryhten is just a cyning by another name? Also, without centuries of Roman influence is Germanic kingship much different from OTL?
EDIT: On the subject of Roman influence, I'd expect that this Britain would be somewhat less urbanised, literate and monetarised than usual. Is that right?
Yeah he's basically a king.
To an extent. The title of dryhten has been retained largely because it's still the kings' primary function to act as war leader. There's still a chief-priest obligation but due to centuries of contact with the old Arverni state a semi-independent system of courts, so far as courts go in Germanic monarchies, evolved.Perfectionist said:
Yeah, all of the above. Which is one of the reasons it hasn't attracted as much Germanic attention as it did in OTL.Perfectionist said:
Trehten's Silenga: the group of Silenga [OTL Siling Vandals] personally loyal to the trehten. Usually quite supportive of most of the trehten's policies. Will probably be alienated by dumb things that NESers tend to do like kissing up to the natives or turn-1 land reforms. Settled south of Bagacos, mostly around the capital.TheWesley said:
Bagacos Silenga: the group of Silenga settled around the city of Bagacos. (Which is in the vicinity of OMD Amiens.) Also quite loyal, tend to enjoy their autonomy. Usually have a similar list of priorities to the other Silenga. Tend to support the younger son of Gunthamund in the struggle for kingship.
Silenga lords: all the other Silenga. Mostly settled in northern France/southern Belgium of OMD. Individually they tend to have less weight than the Bagacos Silenga. Usually support wars of plunder/conquest against Walhia. Tend to oppose restrictions on their autonomy. Support the elder son of Gunthamund in the struggle for kingship.
Asdinga: the group of Asdinga [OTL Hasding Vandals] settled mostly in the Rhenish territories. Politically tend to pull less weight than the Silenga. Tend to support various moves against the Windelicians. Tend to support the younger son of Gunthamund in the struggle for kingship.
Belgic natives: the large group of Celtic Belgians that you rule. More or less opposed to Silenga rule on principle, but haven't been pushed into open military revolt yet.
Perfectionist
Angel of Verdun
Righto. The close connection between tribe and king is intact, then? It would still be correct to say king of the Rygians, rather than king of Rygia, that is?
Right, so those Ceredigian urban centers are hill forts with small villages, à la Tintagel and Dinas Powys, rather than Hedeby or Dublin-type marts?
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Drechton Gerold of the Iberian Empire knows his subjects well enough, there is no need for them to be explained.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
BA.
From: Deukalion Amyntor, Archon of Panormos
To: Drehten Gerold, Basileus of Iberia
We have much to discuss. For a great time, the Iberian rule of the Hellenic poleis in Iberia and Massilla has imposed a degree of financial restriction which...chafes, to say the least, upon our mercantile classes. What we seek, to be blunt, is untaxed trade with these poleis, or at the least, lightly taxed trade. We consider them part of our economic patrimony, though of course we respect their allegiance to the Drehten.
In return for this, we can offer a variety of concessions. Luxury goods for your court, scholars to educate your children, whatever your kingship desires. Any goods or services that we might be able to provide, simply request our aid.
Yes on both counts.
More or less. They're the best that's available right now. What viable urban centers of trade that did develop in pre-invasion Brythonic society grew up in the area you're now occupying. And they don't do so much business these days.Perfectionist said:
Perfectionist
Angel of Verdun
Do you mind if I PM you some more questions?
