Darths and Droids Mafia- Game Thread

[Zack]

Scanner recommendation on cult suspicion.

 

[azzaman333]

The scanner recommended that I die? They also have some serious explaining to do then.

 

[Gone 3 the Celt]

Cuz the player is idiot enough to think he'd be cult or something I guess.

That's very kind of you.

 

[JohannaK]

I know. Being a jerk is a speciality of mine. Especially when people kill my mason buddy.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

Scanner recommendation on cult suspicion.

So is the scanner (who's identity should be obvious to many people by now) going to speak up for themselves or are they going to pass their explanation of what "cult suspicion" is, to us via yourself?

 

[Takhisis]

I'll take azza's blasters. Zack, please explain.

 

[Mergle]

Well, azzaman's targetting makes sense to me. As I said yesterday, all our work on identifiying townies counts for naught when we're dealing with a cult which converts people.

Firstly, Zack is basically one of the least likely to be cult. He is a known day vigilante who struck against mechaerik when there was no move to take him down. Zack has also acted decisively against the trade federation with his unmasking of Xenoneb. I accept Zack is a superb player who could be engaging in some supremely clever strategy of fooling us all, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. As Ravus Sol said earlier, Occam's razor suggests we should only go to the "Zack is so twisty" option when other more likely possibilities are exhausted.

By contrast, Azzaman was an obvious prime recruit for the cult as a known townie for quite a while - remember, until we caught mechaerik we didn't even know there was a cult. His taking of the orb also seemed suspicious when we had Zack - who's directly been responsible for at least one cult and one trade fed (not to mention serial killer) dying - to vote it to. Speaking of which, Orb to Zack

For this same reason, I am highly suspicious of spaceman, who has been doing all he can to discredit Zack. And to get some voting started, I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and vote: spaceman98

By the way, I note the killer in stormtrooper armour. I'd just draw everyone's attention to Halo mafia, where when the cult leader was killed, the cult no longer converted people, but instead went round killing. (In fact, if they'd targeted a certain individual - Master Chief, there'd have regained conversion power instead of killing them). I'm wondering if choxorn's borrowed this mechanism for the cult - with mechaerik dead, they're going killing (and Palpatine might then play the master chief role).

 

[Takhisis]

Really, people waste a night. That's 24 hours of discussion and pressure that could be used instead of cowering under the table and begging not to be the next nightkill. WHy don't people follow up on the pressure votes, wy dont' you analyse voting patterns? You allow the scum to stifle discussion and cover the tracks.

On the trade federation. I suspect the last federate is BL, but given the cult it may actually be good to keep them around, since the cult can only be stopped by killing the leader. Anakin could have been the CL, in which case the federation must die, but if there is a leader running around, an extra killer will be a good thing. We are totally safe from a federation victory, there is one left, but a cult victory is much more likely. Overall though, it seems the cult is somehow heavily limited, given that confirmed townies have continued functioning. Also, can we vote to take an item from someone?

Why such a defense of the cult? Fighting fire with fire? And how do you know there is exactly one Trade-fed left?
I point my fish-fingers of suspicion at you, spaceman98!
Also, why don't you read rules?

QFT.

 

[JohannaK]

Then Palpatine is a liability.

 

[Takhisis]

Please explain, my little friend.

 

[JohannaK]

If Palpatine is alive and such a thing applies, the cult can regain conversion abilities. If he is dead, and such a thing applies, the cult is stuck in numbers. This is all on the basis of Mergles hypothesis.

 

[Zack]

What Mergle said. Since azzaman is a masonic townie with no mason partner, he is essentially vanilla - killing him was an extremely low risk move, and he was the most obvious place to look for a cult recruit. Along the same lines, Vote: Ravus_Sol is essentially vanilla and certainly a possible recruit. Lynching him is similarly low risk, with lots of potential payoff.

Orb to Zack

If Palpatine is alive and such a thing applies, the cult can regain conversion abilities. If he is dead, and such a thing applies, the cult is stuck in numbers. This is all on the basis of Mergles hypothesis.

Based on the hypothesis that the cult is an exact copypasta from the previous game? I'll go out on a limb and say that might not hold up too well against the scientific method.

 

[JohannaK]

Lets kill all townies in hopes that we get a cultist at some point! Yay!

 

[Zack]

 

[JohannaK]

Oooh, I pissed zZack! Now I genuinely say "Yay"!

 

[Backwards Logic]

Oh look, a power play by Zack. Don't BS us here: you had Gone 3 the Celt kill Azzaman so you could get the Orb. Now I'm being serious: you are a liability. Why not kill Ravus_Sol instead, and then try to lynch Azza on the same premise? Hell, why not target me, I'd still be playing. Oh wait, you didn't, because that wouldn't be convenient for you getting the Orb ASAP.

Zack, Orb to me. I'm starting this again. Don't care.

 

[Zack]

Oh look, a power play by Zack. Don't BS us here: you had Gone 3 the Celt kill Azzaman so you could get the Orb. Now I'm being serious: you are a liability. Why not kill Ravus_Sol instead, and then try to lynch Azza on the same premise? Hell, why not target me, I'd still be playing. Oh wait, you didn't, because that wouldn't be convenient for you getting the Orb ASAP.

Zack, Orb to me. I'm starting this again. Don't care.

How could I possibly be mafia, or cult?

I...

• outed/lynched the serial killer
• lynched two mafia
• outed/lynched one mafia
• outed the cult leader
• used my limited-use vigilante ability to try and kill the cult leader
• ordered the cult leader blocked and vigged two nights in a row
• voted to lynch the cult leader

What exactly are you accusing me of?

 

[Zack]

On the other hand, you have not done a SINGLE THING to eliminate a mafioso or cult member, other than begrudgingly voting for someone I revealed as being scanned as mafia.

You're accusing me of a power play, lustful for the Orb? I can actually use the Orb, and I am the most townie person in the game. Every time it's been up for vote, your instant reaction is "MINE hehehe" with no justification. I want the Orb because it enhances my ability, and thus enhances the town's ability to eliminate its enemies. You want the Orb because "MINE hehehe".

 

[Backwards Logic]

Who says you weren't converted in between the scanner's scan of you and the attack on mech, and the attacks on mech were to buy townie cred to say 'see, I'm not Cult, I bussed killed him! Now, you're going after vanillas because they 'could have been converted.' You have the means to get all the information you need (your beloved scanner), yet you're willing to off at least two vanillas in the meantime while you try and gather ideas on who to scan next. That's your plan? Doesn't seem very pro-town at all. That's why I'm voting to end the one man crazy show, because like it or not, the role of Palpatine is definitely Cult material.

 

[Zack]

Who says you weren't converted in between the scanner's scan of you and the attack on mech, and the attacks on mech were to buy townie cred to say 'see, I'm not Cult, I bussed killed him!

Why do you think I would even be allowed to kill mechaerik, if I was indeed part of the cult? What precedent is there for a cult member killing their master? Or for a host even allowing such a thing? Furthermore, why would I try and kill mechaerik in the first place (if I was cult)? If I hadn't attacked him, no one would even know there was a cult, and the numbers would be swelling instead of stagnating.

Who says you're not a cult leader yourself? Who says spaceman isn't a ten-foot tall cyborg waiting to crush us all? Who says I'm not the literal embodiment of the Peace Moon?

Who says wacky hypotheticals are a good place to look for leads?

Now, you're going after vanillas because they 'could have been converted.' You have the means to get all the information you need (your beloved scanner), yet you're willing to off at least two vanillas in the meantime while you try and gather ideas on who to scan next. That's your plan? Doesn't seem very pro-town at all.

Why do we bother voting to lynch someone unless we have a definitive scan result? Why not just abstain unless "[my] beloved scanner" tells me someone is scum? Why not just sit around and twiddle our thumbs until someone hands us the game on a silver platter?

Seriously, this is a silly train of thought.

That's why I'm voting to end the one man crazy show, because like it or not, the role of Palpatine is definitely Cult material.

You want to be a big damn hero on the off chance I've somehow, against all logic, been a no-good cultist all along. That's why you keep voting for me, because the reasoning is preposterous. There are over a dozen people still alive, and not a single one has nearly as good of an alibi as I do for not being cult... Yet, you keep voting for me because of some misguided attempt to forge a legacy and wow everyone with your spectacular skills to pick apart that oily pretender running the town network.