Deaths in Iraq

[FriendlyFire]

double post

 

[FriendlyFire]

We should also not forget the much much higher ratio of badly wounded to Killed either. currently we have 13,013 seriously wounded and hats of to advances to battlefield medicine and medical corp

realisticly: 33,043 total casulties
(3963 dead + 13013 seriously wounded + 16120 light wounded WRTD)
http://icasualties.org/oif/

I dont think people should be bragging by any means given the moderate casualties.

 

[Ecofarm]

If only that happened. You should start with Saudi Arabia 1st please. I will like to see another failure and mistake.

Personally, I'm with you but I don't think we can get support for SA with glaringly worse Iran and Syria still on the table. Then there's Sudan, of course. I'm a 'go for the throat' kinda guy myself, but we'll have to take on the little guys first... weeping public, justification, and all that...

Good for u.

No, good for us. And you're welcome.

And may people of other countries died for it too.

Yay for them too (except the French).

10chracters

 

[aronnax]

Actually, while the war was a very stupid thing.

Iraq might be starting to stabilize a little more.

Several once busy streets are opening up again.

 

[holy king]

You are being too one-sided here. Think for a moment how those people living under government sanctioned rape and murder by the 10000 were living. Can you, as a free man, stand aside and allow that to be? How can you consider yourself free when other men buckle beneath terrible oppression? No man is an island. It is our moral and ethical obligation to see that no man suffers tyranny.

There must be more invasions. It is our duty to mankind.

that sounds quite noble, but there's something called reality, and it's not that easy there.... irak is a mess, nothing worked as intended. the central government practically has no power whatsoever over the country while it is slowly descending into civil war. if you want to say: "well that's still better than under saddam", allright, (for some at least it is, no question) but it certainly wasnt the us 's objective when they marched in, so i'd call that a failure.
and if you want to tell me that irak is a functioning democracy, go get access to some real news sources (i mean like european mainstream media, not some weird internet sites), it's even far from a state that is in charge in moste of the country...

 

[skadistic]

There are many ways to remove Saddam Hussein. The USA could remove him in 1992 but they didn't. Which to me is a disaster of its own.Yeah thats true. But it didn't happen that way ...... so.

Iraq's standard of living and education were one of the best and its not only the Sunnis who benefits from it. Not true at all.Sure, there were a lot of discriminant between the Sunni and Shites but that is not an excuse for invasion.Who used it as one?

Don't forget the most of the mass killing in Iraq was tolerated by the USA gov which ironically, support Saddam Hussein over the Iranian regime.Tolerated? Thats dishonest BS.

And speaking of torture of dissident. Who can forget Abu Ghraib?Yes because a few isolated cases of dogs barking and naked men really adds up to decades worth of the some of the most brutal treatment ever.

Even the Bush's and Blair's administration all known too well that the above reasons does not suffice for an excuse and invasion that they had to come out a lie about WMD Wasn't actually a lie.and Saddam hussein intentions to build one.Oh he had intentions. Or do you not remember when Israel destroyed his nuke plant. NOt only did he have intentions he actually used WMD on the kurds. Not to mention the link between Saddam Hussein and Al queda.That was never used as reason to invade. And there was a slight link. And no Iraq was a responce to 9-11.

If i only judge an outcome of the war by its intention alone. Its already a failure when there were none WMD to be found Except the rounds of nerve gass that were buried and properly disposed of in accordance with the UN.and even the intelligent in USA acknowledge that they were wrong.OMG they were wrong. So were a lot of other people.

So who is in the right and who is in the wrong ? If one cannot understand the perversive of law and justice and still think the invasion is Right. So tell me exactly what law was broken. I ask this a lot but never get a straight answer.will there be more such massive mistakes in the future ?? I hope not. Leaving despots in place and not giving people freedom is al ways a mistake.Those that cannot remember the past will be condemn to repeat it.Yup so lets hope we learn that only starting one war and finishing it is better then signing cease fire agreements with a mad man that got violated on an almost daily basis.

How many more mistakes do USA wants to make and is its Population that dumb to believe in one lie after another ? Vietnam, Panama, Nicaragua, Iraq ?

Vietnam wasn't a mistake. Well unless you count taking it over from the pansy french who screwed it all up and ran. Panama wasn't a mistake either. The only mistake is Iraq was not getting rid of Saddam in 92 and/or not putting enough troops in this time.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Vietnam wasn't a mistake. Well unless you count taking it over from the pansy french who screwed it all up and ran.

I don't have time to write an hour-long post, since I have class to go to, but I'll explain tonight why your statement is wrong, and why is was a mistake for anyone - including us - to get "involved" with Vietnam.

 

[skadistic]

It is a sad state in America when the only way we can look good is to point to a tyrranical dictator and say he was worse.

To bad thats not what I did.

 

[homeyg]

Pull all of our troops out of Iraq and see what an f-ex it becomes in there.

 

[Ecofarm]

Well, perhaps the Iraqi government and people will step up. We're going to find out pretty soon, democrat or repub. We'll pull out some with prep to go back in if necessary. They're going to have to take some big boy steps. Everyone has had enough infantry = police.

 

[CaptainF]

It all depends on how you definte "failure" doesn't it?

I define failure as "not succeeding at removing Saddam Hussein from office".

A totalitarian state is an unacceptable method of establishing order. Saddam had to go, regardless of the results.

No, he didn't have to go.

It always kills me when conservatives pull out the tissues and start crying about "spreading freedom". That's cool, but how did we decide to go into Iraq? It was just random, spin the bottle?

And what about all the other tyrants? What to do about them? Putin surely must be next on the list.

 

[Ecofarm]

What about all the others?

Always that same lame question, as if we can do everything at one time. It's like "defend yourself for not invading 10 or 15 countries at once! and apologize for invading them one at a time for the last century too!"

Ok

 

[CaptainF]

What about all the others?

Always that same lame question, as if we can do everything at one time. It's like "defend yourself for not invading 10 or 15 countries at once! and apologize for invading them one at a time for the last century too!"

Ok

Hahaha. You seriously want to invade the world do you?

It's not like we've spread freedom to the Iraq already...right?

I personally would rather think more practically. Ironic how it's the conservatives who are the starry-eyed idealists on this thread.

 

[Ecofarm]

Ironic how it's the conservatives who are the starry-eyed idealists on this thread.

Touche, dirty lib.

 

[countrygrl]

ecofarm: merkinball is a rapist because the law says so.

so, is george bush a war criminal? because that's what the law says.

 

[Patroklos]

so, is george bush a war criminal? because that's what the law says.

No, it doesn't. The ability of some to self delude in this thread is remarkable. Honestly, in 30 years this stuff will be available for us to laugh at. I image the wanabe freedom fighters of the 60s are glad their BS is not archived for review, you guys will not be so lucky.

 

[Ecofarm]

ecofarm: merkinball is a rapist because the law says so.

Not quite. The law in his state is fuzzy. In my state or the state in question, he would be. Slight difference.

so, is george bush a war criminal? because that's what the law says.

What law says that. More importantly (given that the law does not generally specify who is guilty personally), what judge or jury.

For real fun, how about the Statute, state, federal, ... I'll take local that says "Bush is a war criminal". I find that law unconstitutional. That municipality should not pay taxes. What the hell is going on. Where is this law.

EDIT:

I'm sorry, I found it:

CA 124.068a
Bush = war criminal.

www.ipullconvictionsoutofmybutt.com

 

[countrygrl]

No, it doesn't.

yes it does. guantanimo bay. abu grahib. invasion without un authorization. those are all american or international war crimes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallechinsky/is-george-bush-guilty-of-_b_26669.html

Honestly, in 30 years this stuff will be available for us to laugh at. I image the wanabe freedom fighters of the 60s are glad their BS is not archived for review, you guys will not be so lucky.

yes, in thirty years george bush will still be there for us to laugh at. or sigh at in disdain that he ever graced the oval office of the white house. he'll still be the worst president in history. as well was the most criminal.

 

[hossam]

yes it does. guantanimo bay. abu grahib. invasion without un authorization. those are all american or international war crimes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallechinsky/is-george-bush-guilty-of-_b_26669.html



yes, in thirty years george bush will still be there for us to laugh at. or sigh at in disdain that he ever graced the oval office of the white house. he'll still be the worst president in history. as well was the most criminal.

bush is not a good president but far from the worst , and he is in no way the worse criminal. ever heard of a man named adolf?

 

[countrygrl]

bush is not a good president but far from the worst , and he is in no way the worse criminal. ever heard of a man named adolf?

i was talking about american criminals.