Define "Rogue state"

[Shadylookin]

generally speaking it's goverments the westdoesn't get along with very well.

yes, i think there is, Iceland, New Zealand looks not bad, So is Switziland, Sweden, Norway, Guam ??, Singapore is quite law-abidding too(or in fact too much). I think most countries that are eager to please

Guam is owned by the US

 

[Ramius75]

Guam is owned by the US

i would tot it as an independent country just that they might be the lapdog of USA.

 

[Shadylookin]

i would tot it as an independent country just that they might be the lapdog of USA.

we won it fair and square from spain, and they have less autonomy than any of the 50 states(we don't even give Guam federal representation).

 

[Ramius75]

we won it fair and square from spain, and they have less autonomy than any of the 50 states(we don't even give Guam federal representation).

Ok, since u say so, i will strike Guam off my list of good countries to visit

 

[MobBoss]

If you want a prime example, I would say North Korea fits the bill quite nicely.

 

[JollyRoger]

If you want a prime example, I would say North Korea fits the bill quite nicely.

An example is not a definition.

 

[Elta]

Ok, since u say so, i will strike Guam off my list of good countries to visit

Well since 1/3rd of it is a airforce base it's not the best place to visit but, the people who were originaly from guam live in the saipan islands by guam. Saipan is part of the U.S. and has more autonemy (spl?) than the other 50 states. + the language (Chamoro) is a very cool mix of Indigonus,Spanish and English.

 

[Homie]

we won it fair and square from spain, and they have less autonomy than any of the 50 states(we don't even give Guam federal representation).

So are the permanent inhabitants citizens? I say permanent because alot of them are probably military personnel who are stationed there for a time. But there must be some permanent residents, including natives, are these American citizens? If they are, they are entitled to representation in Congress. If they are not, of what country are they citizens? If of Guam, and Guam is "owned" by the US but the US is not giving them the same rights as the 50 states, how does that make any sense?

 

[Rambuchan]

Politics is foremost a contest over language.

Bravo, Ram!

It is you, kind sir, who has taught me this most important lesson. Thank you.

And bonus point for reading Zmag!

a) I read it a lot. b) This isn't one of the history quiz threads you know!

 

[Elta]

So are the permanent inhabitants citizens? I say permanent because alot of them are probably military personnel who are stationed there for a time. But there must be some permanent residents, including natives, are these American citizens? If they are, they are entitled to representation in Congress. If they are not, of what country are they citizens? If of Guam, and Guam is "owned" by the US but the US is not giving them the same rights as the 50 states, how does that make any sense?

Guam:

officially the U.S. Territory of Guam, is an island in the Western Pacific Ocean and is an organized unincorporated territory

Saipan:

The Northern Mariana Islands, officially the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands

Just look up the terms for any further questions. ....people in D.C. don't have the same rights as people in other states
etc etc.

 

[Ingvina Freyr]

@ Rambuchan

[...]that terror is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to attain political or religious ideological goals through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear. That’s terrorism.

Well, it's an answer that leads to another question. The difference between war and terrorism is...? Perhaps the intensity of the conflict?
The definition of Rouge; "viciousness, lack of principle and propensity to engage in unilateral action." We all know how big-politics work, but why is there an absence of debate elsewhere? Why don't journalists question the usage of certain terms. Isn't that their job?

Anyway, what this thread highlights and confirms is: Politics is foremost a contest over langauge.

The purpose of this thread is to show that people use certain terms on a daily basis without knowing what they are talking about and are getting away with it!!!

 

[Tee Kay]

My definition: any country that clearly acts agressively and try to intimidate/threaten/bully other nations and oppress their own citizens.

 

[Rambuchan]

Ingvina Freyr: Bloody good questions. The answers are complex and long winded. I'll have to come back to them later (perhaps after the weekend as I'm bailing out of being stuck at a PC soon and am somewhat distracted here and now). Just wanted to let you know they are juicy questions! And I hope someone else makes a good stab at them while I can't.

 

[mrtn]

Define "Rogue state"

It doesn't do what the US tells it, it has nukes, and it kills innocents abroad from time to time.

So clearly France is a rogue state.

 

[BasketCase]

In a world with no clearly defined world government, there can be no such thing as a rogue state.

All of us are rogue states; all of us go off and do our own things with little regard for the world community. France doesn't like the rules of the EU, and decides not to join, for example. We all want all other nations to drop their tariffs while we keep ours; we all want everybody else to convert to our religion (or to abandon religion if we're atheists).

And a lot of times, I see people in here post something along the lines of "if everybody did things my way, the world would be a better place".

Nations don't agree on much of anything. But life goes on. A little messy, perhaps, but it goes on anyway.