Deity of Random - Try 1
- Thread starter Snaaty
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. CoL or CS can also be traded to SB later for metal casting and/or calendar...@ Rusten:
Only your save/report for round 3 is missing. Will you manage to play/post in time?
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@ Team:
When Rusten´s save/report is in we can start to vote, as described earlier:
Everybody has 3 votes, 3 points, 2 points, 1 point. We vote by posting it here, no need to complicate things. Explaining your vote would be nice, but you dont have to.
The player that wins the vote, plays round 4 then with his save (and does the next report), sticking to the timeline mentioned earlier. But remember that in round 4 already we play after team-consensus.
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Reminder:
I´m on holiday from Thursday this week for about two week (and can´t play round 4, even if my save should be choosen, so one of the other players would have to take it then)
Only your save/report for round 3 is missing. Will you manage to play/post in time?
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@ Team:
When Rusten´s save/report is in we can start to vote, as described earlier:
Everybody has 3 votes, 3 points, 2 points, 1 point. We vote by posting it here, no need to complicate things. Explaining your vote would be nice, but you dont have to.
The player that wins the vote, plays round 4 then with his save (and does the next report), sticking to the timeline mentioned earlier. But remember that in round 4 already we play after team-consensus.
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Reminder:
I´m on holiday from Thursday this week for about two week (and can´t play round 4, even if my save should be choosen, so one of the other players would have to take it then)
Yes, I'll play in a couple of hours.
Despite moaning about the fast techspeed in my game, I still seem to have been the luckiest in this regard with my game. In the other games the AI´s even teched faster due to the happy religious sharing, the close starting positions and the oversea trade bonus.
I therefore was the only one, archieving more or less what I had planned, building the GLH and the GL, and keeping up (more or less) in tech. So I don´t really think we have to vote, because it is pretty obvious that we will go on with my game. Like I said already somewhere earlier in this thread, this has nothing to du with skill, it simply was luck, drawing some nice rolls concerning the religious spread
And since my price would have been to be allowed to play round 4, which I can´t do anyways it doesn´t really matte in the end...
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I would say Rusten should be allowed to play round 4, because he finished the second deity game first.
Therefore we have:
Rusten, up: Today/Thursday discussing, Friday/Saturday playing/posting
And our final roster:
Flo: 11.5-13.5
CellKu: 14.5-16.5
Rusten: 17.5-19.5
Snaaty: 20.5. 24.5 (if that is OK)
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Concerning our turnsets, I also would like to make a small change:
Instead of playing a fixed 10 turns round, I would prefere to play something between 10 and 20 turns, each player decides for himself when and where to stop. Like that we have better possibilities in archieving a goal, reaching a milestone and so on (having the possibility to start and finish something in a turnset)
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To start the discussion and planning I summarize what Flo and I have already discussed:
Flo and I agreed about:
Building a settler in Osaka after the WB (chop the wood there to speed it up)
Send the WB from Osaka out to scout the north/east
Send the WB from Tokio out to scout the south of blocking island
Whip more WB´s in Tokio, then grow it as fast as possible
Settle fantasy island or the small island next to it (depends in what our warrior there reveals)
When fantasy island is big, build as many cities there as possible and move capital over
When fantasy island is small, dont build more then 2 cities there
Try to settle fast now to profit from the GLH
Close borderes in blocking city when an AI approaches with a galley
Trade for CoL and Construction and reseach CS immediately
Flo and I have different opinions about:
Flo: Build NE in capital now, next settler
Snaaty: Build settle in capital now, next NE
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CellKu and Rusten:
Would be great if you would join in and share your thoughts also.
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Concerning Round 4:
A good stopping point/goal there would be then in my opinion to either play untill CS is reseached or the first two cities on/near fantasy island are settled and the next one in loaded into the galley and ready to sail off somewere (or whatever is reached first...). But this is only my idea, because it is up to Rusten or the team to decide
I don't think it is necessary to vote... 
Since nobody - except Snaaty - likes his own game taking Snaaty's game seems the best to me.
As I said earlier the "religious diversity" in Snaaty's game is a real asset. Moreover, GLH and GLib are already constructed and the blocking city already built (we just have to make sure that there is no southern route to fantasy island).
As to the next moves:
1.) Techs: I would prefer trading CoL to speed up our way to Lib. Perhaps that will give as a chance to also get the USankore...
2.) Cities: With the suppport of the GLH we should concentrate on expansion - I think going south is the best way to go, so first to fantasy island.
3.) Send a boat south from Tokio (the blocking city). It seems as if there are more islands in range and we should ensure that there is no southern "bridge" that would enable the AI to reach our fantasy island and maybe other nice islands.
Since nobody - except Snaaty - likes his own game taking Snaaty's game seems the best to me.As I said earlier the "religious diversity" in Snaaty's game is a real asset. Moreover, GLH and GLib are already constructed and the blocking city already built (we just have to make sure that there is no southern route to fantasy island).
As to the next moves:
1.) Techs: I would prefer trading CoL to speed up our way to Lib. Perhaps that will give as a chance to also get the USankore...
2.) Cities: With the suppport of the GLH we should concentrate on expansion - I think going south is the best way to go, so first to fantasy island.
3.) Send a boat south from Tokio (the blocking city). It seems as if there are more islands in range and we should ensure that there is no southern "bridge" that would enable the AI to reach our fantasy island and maybe other nice islands.
Great to see you two arround that fast
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Now the REAL game can start, I´m pretty curious how it will turn out. This map + Toku promises to play pretty interesting (IF I get it right (never played wih Toku before), drafted rifles should start with strenght 1, drill 1, CG 1
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I think I never ever had before a navy in midgame... ...might very well be the first game I break with that habit
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Now the REAL game can start, I´m pretty curious how it will turn out. This map + Toku promises to play pretty interesting (IF I get it right (never played wih Toku before), drafted rifles should start with strenght 1, drill 1, CG 1
)I think I never ever had before a navy in midgame... ...might very well be the first game I break with that habit
With regard to the issue of what to build next in the capital: I would be in favor of building a settler first, then the NE. During this stage of the game (especially with the GLH) we should emphasize expansion.
@Snaaty: you don't want to play the fourth turnset tonight after everybody has participated in the discussion...?
With regard to loosening the rule on the number of turns (=between 10-20 turns): That is fine with me.
However, if important new questions occur before the milestone is reached and the player would like to continue he should consult the team. In such a case the player should have one more day to finish his turnset.
@Snaaty: you don't want to play the fourth turnset tonight after everybody has participated in the discussion...?
With regard to loosening the rule on the number of turns (=between 10-20 turns): That is fine with me.
However, if important new questions occur before the milestone is reached and the player would like to continue he should consult the team. In such a case the player should have one more day to finish his turnset.
I don´t have really time tonight@Snaaty: you don't want to play the fourth turnset tonight after everybody has participated in the discussion...?
quite some other stuff to do before my holiday (finishing some last-minute work and such...), but I don´t mind if Rusten can play earlier (=tonight), as long as we have a serious discussion going on for every turnset (and you three then can squeeze in one more turnset before I finally return)...I second this. We rather play slower and avoid misunderstandings/mistakes/lonely desicions then rushing into our defeat
. No problem with splitting a turnset in two halfs when an important inbetween question popps up I thinkOk, had a look at the save. The plans you made seem very good to me and I'm happy to see that we've scouted that great island in your game as well!
I see that taoism is founded by someone already so I'm leaning towards making a settler before the NE. If taoism wasn't taken I'd probably bulb it and make an academy with my 2nd GS and to speed that up I'd want the NE. I'm guessing we'll settle an academy right away here, so there's no real need for the NE at this time, expanding to that island is important.
Good thing about aggressive on this map is that we can unlock the amphibious upgrade easily. It requires combat 2, but we start with combat 1 so we should be able to unlock it at 5 XP unless I'm forgetting a requirement. This means we can have combat 2 amphibous units right off the bat with a MI, vassalage or theocracy. This could make a navy-based war very interesting. We won't have to sit around waiting for siege, we can simply bombard enemy cities with our frigates and SoL as almost all of them will be coastal. I think going for amphibious grenadiers with ship support could be really strong here, but we'll need production for that. I think it might be better to farm/workshop most of Kyoto rather than cottaging it. On a map like this production is lacking more than commerce and Kyoto has a lot of hills so it can churn out units really fast with the HE.
I'd rather not play yet, I think it's better to discuss and let the game sink in. It really doesn't matter who plays the set as long as we have some good discussion going beforehand.
Edit: I forgot to look at the GPP, I see that we're probably getting a GM first. That makes NE more attractive, but I still prefer a settler I think.
I see that taoism is founded by someone already so I'm leaning towards making a settler before the NE. If taoism wasn't taken I'd probably bulb it and make an academy with my 2nd GS and to speed that up I'd want the NE. I'm guessing we'll settle an academy right away here, so there's no real need for the NE at this time, expanding to that island is important.
Good thing about aggressive on this map is that we can unlock the amphibious upgrade easily. It requires combat 2, but we start with combat 1 so we should be able to unlock it at 5 XP unless I'm forgetting a requirement. This means we can have combat 2 amphibous units right off the bat with a MI, vassalage or theocracy. This could make a navy-based war very interesting. We won't have to sit around waiting for siege, we can simply bombard enemy cities with our frigates and SoL as almost all of them will be coastal. I think going for amphibious grenadiers with ship support could be really strong here, but we'll need production for that. I think it might be better to farm/workshop most of Kyoto rather than cottaging it. On a map like this production is lacking more than commerce and Kyoto has a lot of hills so it can churn out units really fast with the HE.
I'd rather not play yet, I think it's better to discuss and let the game sink in. It really doesn't matter who plays the set as long as we have some good discussion going beforehand.
Edit: I forgot to look at the GPP, I see that we're probably getting a GM first. That makes NE more attractive, but I still prefer a settler I think.
I'm not sure if I agree with this however. Pericles is willing to give us metal casting for literature and compass. I believe metal casting should be a priority in order to protect our seafood, we'd lose a lot of hammers on galleys for the barbs. There's nothing more annoying than emergency whipping a galley and then losing both the galley and the seafood shortly after. Also, some AIs are still lacking the tech, we can use it for further trading the next turn.
Glad to see you joining the discussion
When I first saw Snaaty's save, I also was thinking about optimizing trades, (see my calendar trading arguments) but the longer I think about it, the more I am convinced that we should absolutely focus on Lib now.
Tech speed is fast in that game. Take a look at the research possibilities of Pericles. Paper is one of them, means that he already research CS. He also has Philo, so he is already really close to Liberalism
Priorities should be everything that focus on Lib.
1. trading for CoL (nobody but Pericles is willing to trade it)
2. Build the NE
While we research CS we can use the GS to bulp philo and when we finish it, we should get the next GS (if we have the NE) to bulp paper
There are two AIs who dont have CoL so far (SB and Charles) there we can probably trade for MC and Cal some turns later. (I am still hoping for the MoM)
As soon as the NE is built we should switch to Caste (and HR). We can also consider to trade compass to Zara for 120 gold instead for construction, which is not on the path to Lib. This trade would allow us to keep the slider at 100% and would not count against WFYABTA.
Quicker expansion is not worth to lose the Lib race. Especially since our backlands are secured (except one galley of Han) for later settling.
About the NE vs. settler discussion in Kyoto.
Osaka will have built the settler in 6 turns (including chopping) Kyoto is not faster. Since we can only ship 1 settler a time with our one galley we dont win much (anything?) by building a settler in our capital. By the time our galley returns from fantasy islands, Osaka can have finished the next settler and Tokyo will be grown to a reasonable size so that it can pump settlers itself.
And the bakers one additional city generates will not help us as much towards Lib as one additional GS, whom we would get by building the NE.
So far my thoughts...
When I first saw Snaaty's save, I also was thinking about optimizing trades, (see my calendar trading arguments) but the longer I think about it, the more I am convinced that we should absolutely focus on Lib now.
Tech speed is fast in that game. Take a look at the research possibilities of Pericles. Paper is one of them, means that he already research CS. He also has Philo, so he is already really close to Liberalism
Priorities should be everything that focus on Lib.
1. trading for CoL (nobody but Pericles is willing to trade it)
2. Build the NE
While we research CS we can use the GS to bulp philo and when we finish it, we should get the next GS (if we have the NE
) to bulp paperThere are two AIs who dont have CoL so far (SB and Charles) there we can probably trade for MC and Cal some turns later. (I am still hoping for the MoM
)As soon as the NE is built we should switch to Caste (and HR). We can also consider to trade compass to Zara for 120 gold instead for construction, which is not on the path to Lib. This trade would allow us to keep the slider at 100% and would not count against WFYABTA.
Quicker expansion is not worth to lose the Lib race. Especially since our backlands are secured (except one galley of Han) for later settling.
About the NE vs. settler discussion in Kyoto.
Osaka will have built the settler in 6 turns (including chopping) Kyoto is not faster. Since we can only ship 1 settler a time with our one galley we dont win much (anything?) by building a settler in our capital. By the time our galley returns from fantasy islands, Osaka can have finished the next settler and Tokyo will be grown to a reasonable size so that it can pump settlers itself.
And the bakers one additional city generates will not help us as much towards Lib as one additional GS, whom we would get by building the NE.
So far my thoughts...
