Huts/Events do not belong in a game which is thought to be the test-ground for strategies imo.
That's a fine opinion, but I differ. Huts and Events are part of the game. I'm always going to play with Huts and Events on, so that's the reality I care about. I would guess that >90% of games are played with Huts and Events on since that is the default setting. Granted, most of you here turn huts and events off, but you are an exceptionally dedicated and small percentage of Civ 4 players worried about comparing scores and all that. Anyway you dice it, you guys are altering the game from its default settings, not me. By taking Huts and Events out, you guys are empowering slavery and making the games less comparable, not me.
I would play the map to show him why he needs BW for it, but when I got trolled twice in a row by events with the Slave Revolt I quit.
Haha. Exactly. By turning off events you are falsely altering the game to make Slavery more attractive. Just one other reason you love Slavery so much. Well, my delayed Bronze Working approach was certainly better than your "slavery/quitting" approach here!
What krikav says is even more true when trying to avoid BW: for any hut you pop, there's a chance you might get BW.
True that in theory that could happen. I didn't face that on this map. Only got 40 something gold from huts, no techs. Did you actually hut Bronze Working here, or are you just throwing that out there as a possibility? (On a side note, I would suggest that the norm be standardizing the huts for a certain gold value, rather than eliminating them altogether. Eliminating them hurts civs that start with hunting, and relatively empowering those that do not.)
It appears that Brennus wants to set liberalism as the end-goal.
Liberalism isn't necessery a good goal in games by itself, but I think that most of us can accept this as a viable goal for our benchmarking.
I agree that Liberalism is not the end goal. The different end goals for people, depending on why they play, are likely: 1) Win in an assured manner; or 2) Win with the highest possible score. I take the first approach. Don't care about my score. I understand (with respect) that some of you take the second approach, and therefore find gambling and re-rolling more attractive.
Here locking in Liberalism was part of my winning strategy.
Well with out BW he isn't going to be Libing a nice military tech so I would say it's less than average.
You can efficiently Lib Military Tradition earlier than you would otherwise, and you have horses.
It's fun, it's educational. And it's the only heated topic of debate right now. Thats why!
I do wish we would spend effort on some other venture that has higher likelyhood to result in fruitfull results. But I can't figure out any such ventures, and I can't propagate for it with such vigor as Brennus does.
Thanks, I think.
Very funny concept, Brennus.Quigley. Couldn't help testing this map
I can't say I haven't been tempted to chop more wonders in Berlin. Can't say that I didn't wish for a better expansion. Can't say the bulb paths aren't perplexing.
But I can say that, at 1AD, the conditions look favorable for some great scientists to bulb Education and Liberalism. From 300-400BC, earlier Liberalism bulb seemed to justify further delay
Good to read your thoughts and play through, and glad that you at least see the logic of a non-Bronze Working Liberalism bulb here. Question, why did you settle on the stone away from the fresh water? I settled in place. I have also just added more about my play through in the intro spoiler.
ok this one should be (hopefully) without huts and no events...was a bit under pressure when creating so mistakes could happen
I'm cool with no huts, but by doing no events I will cry foul. You are falsely empowering Slavery over Caste System and Serfdom. Feel free to play that version if you like, but I will not be recognizing a no event play through as proof of anything. You guys do no huts, no events on all of your other game of the months, club games, whatever. Since this is a map that I generated and posted and the test here involves testing the effectiveness of slavery, why not just go out of your comfort zone and play with events this time? What's the matter, is slavery not as good with events?! Is delaying Bronze Working therefore better than it would be otherwise?! Events with Slave Revolts is the default version of the game!!!
+3 in Berlin is noticeable.
