Participation has fallen off because we are in a bad situation. We have fallen behind badly (in last place by all measures) and have no Iron. The sight won't let me upload the save twice so please visit our thread to check it out the 230 BC save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9599558#post9599558 We are playing on a large terra map so there is a whole nuther continent populated only by barbarians. It is also Epic speed on Emperor level with unrestricted leaders. So we're really stuck and I don't see the way out. Should we try for crossbows and attack Ceaser/Egypt? or would we be better off trying to capture some land on the new continent? The war with Egypt would be costly and set us even further behind in the short run but if it succeds I'm pretty sure we have a good shot at winning. The war would not be easy for us though so biding our time and heading to the new world seems attractive but by then how much further behind would we be? Tough choices but Civ V won't be here for another week so I'll keep at it.