They're not going to see this and give you better healthcarejiminy cricket I think the wooosh going over your head just broke the sound barrier. But I guess someone who also entertained the idea that Houthi pirates offer some valuable insight against global capitalism would be sure to miss it.
So who is it that's floating the prepubescent hooliganism boat for you now, I wonder? Some guy that essentially guns down another in cold blood whose name I'm sure you didn't even know of until like yesterday...
and maybe 10+ years ago, in his quest against police brutality, yet with a quite similar level of gushing-over from certain inept quarters of the general public, it was this guy?
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oh, you "would never condone voilence, but"...
"But"
Let me ask you: Why the faux appeal for some sort of a debate on what is otherwise a police manhunt for a murderer at large--lest this guy now develop some air of invincibility and keep on killing before he's caught? As I'm more than confident that if this guy just happened to miss and hit a bystander (which tends to happen a lot in shootings on public streets), half of you would be right back here decrying the lack of American gun control and not some lack of care I'm sure you'd just as easily blame on the medical doctors or health department officials if not the insurance company. Because, c'mon, they all make more money than you anyway...
fwiw, my answer to the question in an otherwise disgustingly-premised topic would be that which I hope any decent person would offer, and that is: no, no he is not a hero.
perhaps I would offer some pang of being somewhat intrigued by him if he immediately surrendered himself and claimed self-defense for the working class, but like any rat, he's running, and probably more than content that his actions are shrouded in mystery to keep people guessing. And the brains of ignorant people are left to fill in the gaps with their own revenge fantasies.
For that, I'll leave it up to our various UK posters to answer the question if, after chucking-out a private health system, there are still denials, or at least long delays, of any sort of medical care one would (uh) care to mention that this gunmen [if we're to believe his cheerleaders] wanted to instigate via bloodshed.
And something else to chew on for a bit if you want to insist that a killer is somehow striking a blow for the little guy. And that is: most Americans are actually content with their health insurance, and I'm too tired to do it now but there are polls out there which reflect this.
{maybe I'll edit this and post it later [here], I dunno...}
So just so you know, that this is the hill that people who are rooting for this guy are mounting a frontal assault against. And with what weapons? Maybe that: most Americans are lying to themselves? They shouldn't be happy? I expect that attack to pratfall when this guy gets nabbed and we learn he has Lyndon Larouche brochures holding up his TV stand or something.
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Lexicus
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It's funny as hell how all the "life isn't fair, suck it up" guys on this website are typing paragraphs over this
Cloud_Strife
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10000s of Americans died as a result of this scumbag and his company withholding care, where is your sympathy with them?
Stop licking the boots of people who'd happily condemn you and your family to death if it meant increasing their wealth by 0.0001%
Cloud_Strife
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More health insurance company ceos should fear for their lives, it's the only thing that'll stop them from abusing and condemning 10000s to a preventable death
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Akka
Moody old mage.
My reaction to this :
I am not in favor of murdering people. But I know next to nothing about the Ceo murdered, and his position certainly doesn't make him sympathetic at all.
It is surprising that he had no security - I mean, ok, he was shot which can happen to anyone, but how would the killer escape if there was any security?
It is surprising that he had no security - I mean, ok, he was shot which can happen to anyone, but how would the killer escape if there was any security?
Zardnaar
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He was just walking down the street. He's not billionaire rich with private security.
I am sure he could afford some security... Maybe he was saving to be a billionaire?
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this is pretty much my take
i'm still of the disposition that i don't like stuff like this, so i won't support it and such.
but
i also understand that these are the state of things when things are laid out in a specific way. this is not a random minor bureaucrat of the institution that just needed a job. ceos are part of the class that actually make the decisions that people have to live under. and surprise, if, like... so let's make a comparison or whatever. let's say there's a sick man traveling, who has a sword, and a rich man resting, who has the medicine. the sick man asks for medicine for free, and the rich man says no, it's mine. then guy's gonna get stabbed. it's just a function of the world. i don't know the situation of the shooter, but extrapolate that base exchange to the rest of society, and you basically have the american healthcare industry, and actually appropriate here, because them lot chose to all have access to 'swords'.
it's just basic consequensialism, which is why a lot of people shrug (and a lot of people applaud the thing); gatekeeping medicine is vile and insane, so everyone was like "huh i guess we're doing circles now". noone expected it, but noone was surprised
I don't need to know the ins and outs of their policies to believe that cold-bloodedly shooting someone in the street is morally reprehensible. Even if he's guilty of what you claim, there's this thing called "due process".
EnglishEdward
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My memory is foggy, but I believe that in California, the citizens once voted for a state
health care system, and furthermore elected politicians promising that, but nothing
happened because the health companies had corrupted the politicians and blocked it.
Since then I have regarded some form of blow back as simply and sadly inevitable.
health care system, and furthermore elected politicians promising that, but nothing
happened because the health companies had corrupted the politicians and blocked it.
Since then I have regarded some form of blow back as simply and sadly inevitable.
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lawls, you kind of fell into that, it was sarcasm.... "BUT" since we are here, we might as well dig the hole a bit deeper.jiminy cricket I think the wooosh going over your head just broke the sound barrier. But I guess someone who also entertained the idea that Houthi pirates offer some valuable insight against global capitalism would be sure to miss it.
So who is it that's floating the prepubescent hooliganism boat for you now, I wonder? Some guy that essentially guns down another in cold blood whose name I'm sure you didn't even know of until like yesterday...
and maybe 10+ years ago, in his quest against police brutality, yet with a quite similar level of gushing-over from certain inept quarters of the general public, it was this guy?
Christopher Dorner shootings and manhunt - Wikipedia
oh, you "would never condone voilence, but"...
"But"
Let me ask you: Why the faux appeal for some sort of a debate on what is otherwise a police manhunt for a murderer at large--lest this guy now develop some air of invincibility and keep on killing before he's caught? As I'm more than confident that if this guy just happened to miss and hit a bystander (which tends to happen a lot in shootings on public streets), half of you would be right back here decrying the lack of American gun control and not some lack of care I'm sure you'd just as easily blame on the medical doctors or health department officials if not the insurance company. Because, c'mon, they all make more money than you anyway...
fwiw, my answer to the question in an otherwise disgustingly-premised topic would be that which I hope any decent person would offer, and that is: no, no he is not a hero.
perhaps I would offer some pang of being somewhat intrigued by him if he immediately surrendered himself and claimed self-defense for the working class, but like any rat, he's running, and probably more than content that his actions are shrouded in mystery to keep people guessing. And the brains of ignorant people are left to fill in the gaps with their own revenge fantasies.
For that, I'll leave it up to our various UK posters to answer the question if, after chucking-out a private health system, there are still denials, or at least long delays, of any sort of medical care one would (uh) care to mention that this gunmen [if we're to believe his cheerleaders] wanted to instigate via bloodshed.
And something else to chew on for a bit if you want to insist that a killer is somehow striking a blow for the little guy. And that is: most Americans are actually content with their health insurance, and I'm too tired to do it now but there are polls out there which reflect this.
{maybe I'll edit this and post it later [here], I dunno...}
So just so you know, that this is the hill that people who are rooting for this guy are mounting a frontal assault against. And with what weapons? Maybe that: most Americans are lying to themselves? They shouldn't be happy? I expect that attack to pratfall when this guy gets nabbed and we learn he has Lyndon Larouche brochures holding up his TV stand or something.
KFF Survey of Consumer Experiences with Health Insurance | KFF
The survey finds nearly six in 10 people with health insurance experienced a problem using their insurance in the past year, with even larger shares reporting problems among people who are sick or who have mental health needs. It includes data for people with different types of coverage...
www.kff.org
People also report liking their congressman but hating congress, if you like your health insurance you are an idiot, or you are the one in a million who managed to get one over on the industry. Those are almost all legacy plans or subsidized somehow.... These days health insurance is a labyrinth of legalism and cop out clauses that no one can reasonably manage to understand. They've made the entire healthcare industry itself so opaque as to allow these parasites milk more from consumers and healthcare professionals... This is my field. I understand better than most and it still takes hours sometimes to figure out healthcare billing.
Now on to the rest of the wall here, I support the Houthis pushing back against a genocide. I support pushing back against this version of American Hegemony.
The topic is brought up because, to my total lack of surprise, this murder has been celebrated or at least excused by the widest range of Americans that I've seen in some time. I find that intriguing.
The UK is like the worst example you could possibly pull up, the capitalist class in the UK has almost finished entirely looting that nation and hiding their loot in fun financial instruments of various englishman creation. No one is claiming there can be a perfect healthcare system, there cannot be, at least not in this construct of our economies. Our system is particularly egregious though considering that it incentivizes denial of healthcare from its customers (this market has never fit a free-market model), it profits off of pain and death. Healthcare and pharma writ large are not even that evil, they may focus on treatments vs. cures as industries, but at least they do not find the majority of their profits directly off of pain, death, and bankruptcy.
I'm not sure you understand America and what its police force is for... if they find this guy they will find a way to kill him to send the message. Its not like he blew away a bunch of black church goers, they are not going to be buying this guy burger king on the way to his cell...
Your last paragraph here is jumbled, please elaborate and clarify.
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and if due process never happens after decades of trying?
If it looks etc like a duck, it likely is a duck.That said, we should wait until the killer is either caught or his background is known. If someone wanted to sensationalize a murder, it would be easy to do with some anti-corruption slogan on the bullets and a target that while being a Ceo had no private security.
In theory - I stress, only in theory - it could even be a hitman.
In theory - I stress, only in theory - it could even be a hitman.
EnglishEdward
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There is so much money to be lost and made in corporate takeovers; that it is very easy to envisage
a loser hiring a hitman to take revenge or an ambitious climber hiring a hitman to create a vacancy.
However I expect it was more personal.
~ e.g. They refused to pay for treatment for my mom, she died and I went bankrupt trying. ~
a loser hiring a hitman to take revenge or an ambitious climber hiring a hitman to create a vacancy.
However I expect it was more personal.
~ e.g. They refused to pay for treatment for my mom, she died and I went bankrupt trying. ~
Lexicus
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Can't kill mass murderers in the street anymore, because woke
Assassination of Talaat Pasha - Wikipedia
What has been tried? Lawsuits? Journalistic exposes? Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent and degrades both the person doing it and the society which permits it.
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