Deny, Defend, Depose

[Zardnaar]

Violence isn't exactly kosher but understandable.

Wonder if elites be pro gun when it's them in the cross hairstyle.

 

[Plains-Cow]

 

[Farm Boy]

Violence isn't exactly kosher but understandable.

Wonder if elites be pro gun when it's them in the cross hairstyle.

They already aren't.

 

[Gorbles]

Where, where in my post am I defending the CEO?

Skipped over my post, eh?

What you said already wasn't a condemnation. Which is no skin off of my back, but you're the one who objected to the notion that you hadn't, so.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Apparently United Healthcare is simply part of United Health Group.

Here is the CEO of United Health Group talking to his employees about the CEO of United Healthcare who was assassinated.

Internal video leaks of UnitedHealthcare CEO advising employees against talking to press: 'Don't engage with the media'

A leaked internal video from the CEO of UnitedHealth Group shows him telling employees of the company there is no upside to talking with the media.

nypost.com

The group’s CEO also reassured workers they were safe, and discussed the heightened security measures the company has taken since Wednesday’s slaying.

He also called Thompson “a truly extraordinary person who touched the lives of countless people throughout our organization and far beyond.”

...

“Our priorities are, first and foremost, supporting Brian’s family; ensuring the safety of our employees; and working with law enforcement to bring the perpetrator to justice,” Witty added. “We, at UnitedHealth Group, will continue to be there for those who depend upon us for their health care. We ask that everyone respect the family’s privacy as they mourn the loss of their husband, father, brother and friend.”

New York Magazine has been doing a lot of stories on the shooting lately.

The UnitedHealthcare Shooting Was Inevitable

Our political system is breaking down. Now it has killed.

nymag.com

 

[GenMarshall]

Skipped over my post, eh?

There's no point in arguing with you if you're just going to "pwn the chud".

What you said already wasn't a condemnation. Which is no skin off of my back, but you're the one who objected to the notion that you hadn't, so.

It should be plenty evident enough that I condemn the murder and that I'm not siding with the CEO. Calling the polices boneheaded should be a clear indication that I'm also not siding with the CEO. FULL STOP. Even if you don't agree with the words I used. If you can't see it, then I cannot help you.

 

[Gorbles]

There's no point in arguing with you if you're just going to "pwn the chud".

Not what I'm going for, but I appreciate the need to invent an enemy.

It should be plenty evident enough that I condemn the murder and that I'm not siding with the CEO. Calling the polices boneheaded should be a clear indication that I'm also not siding with the CEO. FULL STOP. Even if you don't agree with the words I used. If you can't see it, then I cannot help you.

So it should be easy to condemn the CEO and company's position on insurance policy and how it concretely relates to many, many more deaths.

Yes? Or no?

 

[Kyriakos]

Some are making money out of this

The art is nice, though; noose etc.

 

[Yeekim]

Private health insurance is a cruel business pretty much by design/necessity.
However, the company that this guy ran apparently had the highest claim rejection rate on the market: ~1/3, or double the industry's average.

UnitedHealthcare Denies More Claims Than Other Insurers, Angering Patients

According to the most recent available data, the insurer refused an estimated one-third of claims submitted, prompting an outpouring of frustration after its CEO Brian Thompson was shot and killed this week.

www.forbes.com

This kind of result does not simply happen - it requires a certain tone from the top. One that probably does not put fairness towards its policyholders high in the priority list.

I can see why someone would want to hold him responsible.

 

[Estebonrober]

Where, where in my post am I defending the CEO?

No where in my post did I defended the CEO and you're just jumping to conclusions. I find it quite a stretch that you'd think I'm defending the CEO when in reality I am siding with the law and that I do not condone the actions the suspect has done. It's quite disingenuous to jump to the conclusion that I am "defending" the CEO and assuming that I don't care about the harm the policies have done when I have clearly made my statements known by calling them boneheaded. I'm sorry that my choice of vocabulary doesn't appeal to you or Gobels and I'm sorry that I do not have the righteous rage and fury to grab a torch and pitchfork and march down the street .


Last I checked, Bernie Sanders and AoC haven't been locked up. Hassan is still running his mouth on Twitch and the feds haven't swatted his house.

And that disturbs me greatly that it comes to a celebration of vigilante violence. I've already told Cloud that I do not condone the actions the suspect has done, but it doesn't erase the fact that he broke the law and tossed his life away to be in life imprisonment or death row (Depending on the judge's decision when the suspect is on trial). The suspect's politics does not matter to me. If he were a Trumpist, I'd still be condemning him.

I'm afraid this is where we disagree on things. I perfer the reformist approach than taking a sledge hammer to destroy the system that would make everything a hundred times worse and leaving open a power vaccum letting power hungry opportunists taking over (e.g. as happened with the USSR, China, and the rest of the authoritarian communist states). I do not wish for my life and other people's lives to be upended when the system gets destroyed. If you asked me, say ten years ago when I was underemployed. Call me naive and a soyboy (ironic that I've gotten that from trumpists) for being a dirty SocDem, I'd rather march side to side with the likes of Bernie Sanders and AoC and push for change on the floor of the legislature than resorting to vigilantie justice and destroying the system that would put me in a worst off position.

I mean leftists who have broken the law somehow as opposed to reactionaries who say murder a church full of people.... do you need links?
I'm glad the US still tries to push for freedom of speech for us plebs, of course ninety-nine percent of the airwaves is jsut covered in bullfeathers lib or right-wing propaganda which has to be why the msm is shocked at the response to this shooting.

I would consider him a hero for aiming his rage at an appropriate target just like I did with the Trump supporters who turned on him and tried to kill him earlier this year. Idc what their leanings are either, I'm much more interested in why they are lashing out. I'm happy they are not lashing out at random people.

Reform was an option 10-15 years ago, Bush Jr. and Obama administrations (the GOP tanked any of this around 2005-2011 when they decided the GOP was going to slowly slide into full fascism with a side of handmaid's tale dystopia). Now? I think after Citizen's United and the subsequent stacking of SCOTUS there is no avenue for reform. The actual criminals are in bed or outright own almost every politician and this gets worse on state levels...but this is another topic so I'm dropping it on my side.

 

[Estebonrober]

"The law" that some people here seem to love so much allowed this CEO to get away with killing thousands of people purely to add another zero to his bank account.

I wish it just "allowed" him, but US law actually enforces this type of behavior due to fiduciary standards in the US being so damned insane. In the US a CEO is required by law to maximize returns for his shareholders, and yes there have been many lawsuits forcing some of more socially conscious CEOs to perform terrible things against the environment and people. Again, the finance bros broke the whole point of even having a legal system by making corruption legal, regular, and expected. We do not have a government in the US as much as a bunch of subsidized arms of our various corporations.

 

[PhroX]

There's no point in arguing with you if you're just going to "pwn the chud".

It should be plenty evident enough that I condemn the murder and that I'm not siding with the CEO. Calling the polices boneheaded should be a clear indication that I'm also not siding with the CEO. FULL STOP. Even if you don't agree with the words I used. If you can't see it, then I cannot help you.

You might not be siding with the CEO, but you are siding with the system that allowed (or even encouraged) him to get away with what he did.

 

[Estebonrober]

Private health insurance is a cruel business pretty much by design/necessity.
However, the company that this guy ran apparently had the highest claim rejection rate on the market: ~1/3, or double the industry's average.

UnitedHealthcare Denies More Claims Than Other Insurers, Angering Patients

According to the most recent available data, the insurer refused an estimated one-third of claims submitted, prompting an outpouring of frustration after its CEO Brian Thompson was shot and killed this week.

www.forbes.com

This kind of result does not simply happen - it requires a certain tone from the top. One that probably does not put fairness towards its policyholders high in the priority list.

I can see why someone would want to hold him responsible.

I can't find it atm but I've seen healthcare insurance worker testimony that showed denial rates at all these insurance companies is waaaay out of whack. They are supposed to go "peer to peer" (healthcare term for when the insurance insists on an explanation from a doctor for the ordered treatment, the snipped letter is an example of that back and forth although the doctor was very salty about it). Now, the insurance company has its own doctors that are supposed to review these things, and it turns out almost none of them do the job, they just click the select all box and "deny"....This is how you get insurance docs denying fudging anti-nausea meds for a pediatric patient undergoing chemo treatment.

Seriously, these companies should be nationalized immediately, and almost everyone above the call center and functional employees should be fired and sent home without severance. That is the reform we need. It is the only thing that would satisfy me at this point, these people are evil, their business model is evil, and humans everywhere deserve better than this Moderator Action: *SNIP* - lymond . Blue Cross Blue Shield used to be a co-op that returned all members unspent funds over a given year.... now it's just another monster ruining lives and families over avarice and greed.

 

[Kyriakos]

This ceo was still small fry, though. The actual top 1% wouldn't be going around without bodyguards. What was his estimated 'worth'?

 

[Arwon]

it doesn’t give the excuse to resort to cold-blooded murder with hundreds, perhaps thousands of eyewitnesses in broad daylight.

What's the maximum number of acceptable witnesses for you?

 

[Jeppetto]

If you want to make changes, you work within the system. Not acting like Bolsheviks in 1917 Russia or storming the Bastille

But... Didnt both of those suceed at (or eventually lead to) changing a system suverely rigged against common people?

 

[Plains-Cow]

 

[lymond]

I thought this was an interesting read - an NBC News article via Yahoo:

Why top internet sleuths say they won't help find the UnitedHealthcare CEO killer

There is also some interesting general insight in there. Also, the 3 words on the shells per this topic's title may not be entirely correct but appear to refer to some book about insurance.

 

[danjuno]

Delay, Deny, Defend - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Voidwalkin]

Seems like one gangster did another gangster in. I don't admire or hate either.