Nate1976
Just Plain Wierd
Sadly I don't have Conquests V_V. Stupid first disc. Ah well, 'tis life.
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jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Alright, I'm moving the Turnplay discussion to where it belongs... 
OK, currently we're at a unit limit of 239. A switch to Republic would make that number 49 - 2 + 6 = 53. We would be forced to use the power of the Pyramids and some ducts to get that number up but our upper limit in Republic is 49*3 = 147. Our total number of units at turn 122 is 52. So a switch now would mean we start paying unit support costs almost immediately.
In Republic the entertainment costs are ~22g per 10% and that translates into 2680g over 120 turns which is equal to the upgrade of 60 warriors to MI. Given that we can also upgrade spears to pikes and infantry it's still looking like Leo's is the cost effective way to go.
Since our science slider is at zero I can't make out the difference in research w/ CAII.
Well, we passed another turn w/o turning on the research so if we go Leo's we need to start next turn and hire scientists. Leo's is only 5 turns away now so we would probably over spend by a few turns.
OK, currently we're at a unit limit of 239. A switch to Republic would make that number 49 - 2 + 6 = 53. We would be forced to use the power of the Pyramids and some ducts to get that number up but our upper limit in Republic is 49*3 = 147. Our total number of units at turn 122 is 52. So a switch now would mean we start paying unit support costs almost immediately.
In Republic the entertainment costs are ~22g per 10% and that translates into 2680g over 120 turns which is equal to the upgrade of 60 warriors to MI. Given that we can also upgrade spears to pikes and infantry it's still looking like Leo's is the cost effective way to go.
Since our science slider is at zero I can't make out the difference in research w/ CAII.
Well, we passed another turn w/o turning on the research so if we go Leo's we need to start next turn and hire scientists. Leo's is only 5 turns away now so we would probably over spend by a few turns.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
So, if Saber is collaborating w/ Council and Council will not give them contact w/ Free what does this mean?
Do we want to give contact w/ Free to Saber for an agreement to trade luxes?
Do we want to give contact w/ Free to Saber for an agreement to trade luxes?
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
doesn't sound like much of a collaboration! Council doesn't trust sabre not to trade with Free and give us the techs? Lets give them the contact for something, and put temptation in their path.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
The save is in... FREE sent it w/ the message "Enjoy" so I couldn't resist opening it up.
No landings, no war.
Cane, I would like to sit in on this turn. I'm on vacation at home and have the time and free pass to goof off.
We got 200g from the Babes. I guess we asked for it to help fund Invention and Leo's.
And I would send Saber contact w/ FREE for kicks.
No landings, no war.
Cane, I would like to sit in on this turn. I'm on vacation at home and have the time and free pass to goof off.
We got 200g from the Babes. I guess we asked for it to help fund Invention and Leo's.
And I would send Saber contact w/ FREE for kicks.
killercane
Deity
I thought BABE said no to trading Saber stuff. PM me and let me know when you are available JB and we will come up with a time.
Nate1976
Just Plain Wierd
I have conquests and everything, now, so I could be a turnplayer if anybody needs it.
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jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Our treaty w/ the Babes doesn't keep us from trades. Besides, Council and Free are trying to sell the contact. Whomper said to give it away.
Nate1976
Just Plain Wierd
I say don't give it away, but give them a really cheap deal - a couple gold. Something, ya know?
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RickFGS
Deity
I agree, every peny is a peny 
, give it for 60 gold, 15 gold to upgrade a spear is 4 units upgrade 
, give it for 60 gold, 15 gold to upgrade a spear is 4 units upgrade
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
I've been missing on the diplo front and my opportunity to really get into it again is still a ways off. The loss of my connection at work, the start of the school year, and the height of our budgeting process, etc. is going to keep me from any deep thinking on this MTDG.
I'm out the rest of this evening, Saturday and Sunday. Monday is a Holiday in the US and it's the last day our pool is open so that's where I'm going to be. Next week is just as busy.
If somebody wants to work out a deal w/ Saber for the Free contact have at it. I personally don't think it's worth the hassle.
For dealing w/ Council/Free/Babes I'm not sure if people were advocating BS'ing as in BullS**t or Back-Stab.
Council is owed a response and I don't have the bandwidth, as noted above, to get creative.
I'm out the rest of this evening, Saturday and Sunday. Monday is a Holiday in the US and it's the last day our pool is open so that's where I'm going to be. Next week is just as busy.
If somebody wants to work out a deal w/ Saber for the Free contact have at it. I personally don't think it's worth the hassle.
For dealing w/ Council/Free/Babes I'm not sure if people were advocating BS'ing as in BullS**t or Back-Stab.
Council is owed a response and I don't have the bandwidth, as noted above, to get creative.
RickFGS
Deity
Shouldn´t we settle that 1 tile tiny island in the north? one city is always one city more 
killercane
Deity
Very true. Where do we want the settler to come from?
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
BTW, I don't think we've gotten Education as of yet from the Great GONG Library.
Interesting.
Interesting.
RickFGS
Deity
Means Council is researching at full speed the lower tier while Free does the upper, when they need to they will trade education among themselves leaving everyone behind in 3/4 techs or more.
So we need to choose the next step i guess: stay idle till we get education from G Lib or advance on our own again, i guess we stay put.
Council must be finishing Chemistry since they dont have Education and Free must be nailing Astronomy some time soon.
In sum, and when they trade the F/C axis wil have Education, Astro, Gunpowder and Chemistry and a way open to Magnetism and Mil Trad.
BABE will have Gunpowder in 4 according to Whomp.
Note: I´m not sure how it works, since FREE already has education, doesn´t it mean the Great Library is already obsolete? Or do we still get the education tech when FREE trades it to Council and only then it becomes obsolete?
So we need to choose the next step i guess: stay idle till we get education from G Lib or advance on our own again, i guess we stay put.
Council must be finishing Chemistry since they dont have Education and Free must be nailing Astronomy some time soon.
In sum, and when they trade the F/C axis wil have Education, Astro, Gunpowder and Chemistry and a way open to Magnetism and Mil Trad.
BABE will have Gunpowder in 4 according to Whomp.
Note: I´m not sure how it works, since FREE already has education, doesn´t it mean the Great Library is already obsolete? Or do we still get the education tech when FREE trades it to Council and only then it becomes obsolete?
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
should be that it obsoletes when we get education (whether through the library or otherwise.)
RickFGS
Deity
Ok, then we should stay put for now since BABE is going Guns in 4 and we dont really need printing press or do we? Democracy soons good and we are religious after all.....just a thought...
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
what is the unit support like in demo? - not as good as feudalism I'm sure - and we will be building some military soon (won't we)
RickFGS
Deity
We are pumping some warriors and 1 vet spear per turn in sugar moutain.
Demo as no unit support but the commerce bonus of +2 (if im not mistaken) plus +150% worker efficency and and pay citizens would prove excellent.
Of course feudalism is for 100k victories so i guess demo is out of question...
Demo as no unit support but the commerce bonus of +2 (if im not mistaken) plus +150% worker efficency and and pay citizens would prove excellent.
Of course feudalism is for 100k victories so i guess demo is out of question...
killercane
Deity
For all their craftiness, Council and Free are outthinking themselves. I forgot we can just trade TGL to BABE once the other two have passed on their knowledge to each other (ie, after we learn education). Then BABEs learn everything and give it to us anyways.
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