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General NMR policy:
- If the player doesn't post anything for 24h after the update, the country is offered to the next available reserve player.
- If the player doesn't send orders for the next season (making it so that retreat phases don't count, because those are just too small to boot someone out over), the country permanently goes to aforementioned reserve player. Otherwise, the player still has a chance to reclaim his country by just submitting orders.
Sorry for the NMR mgsmuhammad :/. It's not like you missed much though
(couldn't have taken any Turkish SCs either way, for one).
- If the player doesn't post anything for 24h after the update, the country is offered to the next available reserve player.
- If the player doesn't send orders for the next season (making it so that retreat phases don't count, because those are just too small to boot someone out over), the country permanently goes to aforementioned reserve player. Otherwise, the player still has a chance to reclaim his country by just submitting orders.
Sorry for the NMR mgsmuhammad :/. It's not like you missed much though
(couldn't have taken any Turkish SCs either way, for one).Neverwonagame3
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Damn it- if I'd known Russia would NMR, I could have done a LOT more to improve my posistion!
EDIT: A Bulgaria retreats to Constantinople
EDIT: A Bulgaria retreats to Constantinople
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The conclusion:
Autumn 1902: 9 PM GMT July 1st
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To finish #nes conversation NK, I think you were doing very well... but then pretty much lost your opportunity in Winter 1901 :/. Fleet Berlin, Fleet Kiel would've been much better imo, no matter what Russia was building.
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Autumn 1902: 9 PM GMT July 1st
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To finish #nes conversation NK, I think you were doing very well... but then pretty much lost your opportunity in Winter 1901 :/. Fleet Berlin, Fleet Kiel would've been much better imo, no matter what Russia was building.
Dreadnought
Deity
Russia sent me a PM not 6 hours ago...very odd that he didn't get orders in.
Dreadnought
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A bounce in the Aegean Sea doesn't matter when Russia has a navy in Sevestapol and not an army. That, and...oh, yeah, he NMR.
Yes, it does. Turkey's army in Bulgaria is annihilated (meaning the southern flank is wide open, with only one fleet guarding the area), and it's much harder to pry one's way into the Aegean with one fleet if the Turks are already there. Golden opportunity with the army in Smyrna heading to Armenia. As the moves were, Italy's decision to support the army in Greece makes no sense - it's hedging against a betrayal by Turkey and Austria (badly), but if Italy thought such a move would occur, oughtn't he have moved the army in Venice to Tyrolia? And what the hell was with the move to the Tyrrhenian Sea, a clear harbinger of an attack on France if there ever was one (but without moving the army in Venice to Piedmont, the necessary corollary)? Completely confusing set of moves - it seems like Italy is playing so conservatively as to be a sockpuppet, except in the case of France, who he has to be irritating without actually hurting.
It's not clear that the NMR really screwed Russia in the south, after all; they lost absolutely nothing and retain control of the vital Black Sea, while Turkey's army in Armenia remains out of position to do anything useful (if it were still in Smyrna, things could get really messy for the Italians - admittedly, something the Russians would like better than the Italians would, but still). All that seems to have happened is that Russia dropped a chance to trade Constantinople for the Black Sea, supposing that Russia would've launched that attack anyway (not clear; tactically, it was the correct move, but NWAG's nonsensical attack into the Aegean made an utter hash of the situation down there).
If Italy, Russia, and Austria were really in an alliance worth a damn, the fleet in the Ionian would've moved into the Eastern Med, the fleet in Naples would've gone to the Ionian, the fleet in the Black Sea would've attacked Constantinople, and the armies in Greece and Serbia would've combined to attack Bulgaria - Bulgaria goes into the bag for certain, at least one Turkish unit is annihilated, the Russians have a slim (as it turned out, an excellent one, but the move ought to have been made to cut the potential support for the army in Bulgaria) chance of seizing the Straits, and Turkey's southern flank lies open. NWAG goes out by the end of 1903 for certain. Instead, he's got to be feeling at least some confidence that his enemies are riven by mistrust, incompetent, and potentially willing to cut a deal.
Dreadnought
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I need the Fleet in the Tyrhennian in order to take Tunis this turn. I was hoping the Turkish move into the Aegean would have opened a potential opportunity for Russia, seeing as that move was almost guaranteed, but....there was the NMR
EDIT: Though I don't hold it against him for the NMR, just saying it put a kink in my plan.
EDIT: Though I don't hold it against him for the NMR, just saying it put a kink in my plan.
A fleet in the Ionian would have done just as well for taking Tunis, while leaving the opportunity to take Smyrna in the fall with the fleet in the Eastern Med - and it doesn't antagonize France, which is a Good Thing if you're completely unprepared to fight the French. And that doesn't explain the support for the army in Greece - either an attack on the Aegean or sailing to the Eastern Med would've been much better than either of those choices. Worst-case: you get betrayed by Austria and lose Greece, you retreat to Albania, and you can launch an invasion of Trieste in the fall from Albania and Venice while attacking Smyrna and having Tunis in the bag. You lose nothing and have a shot at two other supply centers.
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The support Greece maneuver was more of a "do nothing" sort of move than a sign of mistrust. I was worried that, a move to the Eastern Med would give the Turkish navy an annoying possibility of creating a raid fleet that would move into the Ionian in the fall and harass my home centers from there.
Hence, I held in the Ionian, moved into the Tyrhennian to take Tunis, and supported my Greek Army because, well, there wasn't anything better to do.
Hence, I held in the Ionian, moved into the Tyrhennian to take Tunis, and supported my Greek Army because, well, there wasn't anything better to do.
Thlayli
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I hate to pat myself on the back, but I'm very pleased with the outcome of spring.
Let's be honest, now, the move to the Tyrrhenian was because you didn't trust my assertion that my fleet would move to Spain, and perhaps as a pseudo-effective hedge against a move to the Gulf of Lyon.
Since Italy themselves informed me that an Italian fleet in the Tyrrhenian should be viewed as a sign of hostility, we must assume that they have without cause chosen to aggress on us, despite our forthright dealings with them in all matters.
Let's be honest, now, the move to the Tyrrhenian was because you didn't trust my assertion that my fleet would move to Spain, and perhaps as a pseudo-effective hedge against a move to the Gulf of Lyon.
Since Italy themselves informed me that an Italian fleet in the Tyrrhenian should be viewed as a sign of hostility, we must assume that they have without cause chosen to aggress on us, despite our forthright dealings with them in all matters.
Dreadnought
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Your just deserts for the Fleet in Marseilles.
The Turks can't move into the Ionian if your fleet is already there. And the reason your fleet wouldn't have been there is because...you wanted it in the Tyrrhenian. Which is prima facie bad. Color me unconvinced.
Dreadnought
Deity
Uhh....
Fleet Ionian - Aegean Sea, bounce with Turkish Fleet.
Fleet Naples - Ionian Sea, bounce with Italian Fleet.
Fall,
Fleet Ionian - Tunis
Fleet Naples - Ionian Sea
Resulting in the same setup, but this bounces the Turkish fleet back to Constantinople, preventing Russia from having any opportunity to take it last Spring.
Or,
Fleet Ionian - Eastern Med, succeeds.
Fleet Naples - Ionian, succeeds.
Turkish Fleet Constantinople - Aegean, succeeds.
Fall,
Fleet Eastern Med - Smyrna, unknown outcome.
Fleet Ionian - Tunis
Turkish Fleet Aegean - Ionian Sea
with a deadly raider created.
Seeing as my move set prevents Turkey from occupying the Ionian, because he can't hope to dislodge my fleet from there, I'd say my moves were the best at this point. There is no way Turkey can now threaten the Ionian, and I'm still in a position to contribute to the war without risking any Turkish counterattack.
Sweet heyzeus, I didn't think it was that difficult to see.
Nonsense. For one thing, the likelihood of that Turkish fleet in the Ionian - assuming you let it in instead of doing something sensible like arranging for a bounce with the Eastern Med fleet or convoying A Gre or A Apu (from Ven in S02) - turning into a "deadly raider" instead of simply being disbanded at the end of the year - you know, because NWAG is losing supply centers - is low. And if NWAG keeps it alive, its lifespan is virtually nil; he can't take and keep a supply center with it, while it doesn't contribute to the defense of his home SCs, making it worse than useless except as a way to screw around.
"Deadly" my ass. No point in worrying about one of those "deadly" raiders if the other guy's about to croak.
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I'd like to humbly ask the deadline to be extended 24 hours or so .
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Ok. It'll make the number suffix finally make sense, lol.
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