Disability Claims Alarmingly Up for Subset of Recipients of Taxpayer Dollars

The article mentions how the veterans seeking actual benefits and compensation in their filings. I have no problem putting injuries on record so as to validate any later complications.

But every vet making a disability claim has to go through a pretty thorough medical examination to determine the nature of their disability. Even if someone is trying to scam the system, they will just be rated as 0% disabled and have their claim put on file.

So the point raised in this thread is kind of a non-issue.
 
So the point raised in this thread is kind of a non-issue.
Yep - the government is so efficient that it never gets bamboozled by an unmerited disability claim. We should have the government extend its reach on this kind of stuff and run all health care since it is so great at it.
 
Uhhh no offense Mobboss I'll just dig up the one thread then, you can refresh your memory a bit.

So no one here called any vet a coward. Thanks for confirming what I said. In fact, you found me saying even implying it was inappropriate. Nice job.
 
Yep - the government is so efficient that it never gets bamboozled by an unmerited disability claim. We should have the government extend its reach on this kind of stuff and run all health care since it is so great at it.

Of course no system is perfect, but I think this issue is being blown way out of proportion. I seriously doubt the problem is as widespread as the article states, and most of the disability claims they refer to were probably filed for the reason I stated earlier. But since the media makes its money by making an issue out of everything, they just see the claims and cry "OMG, veterans are scamming the taxpayers!"
 
See Farm Boy, my librul media line was down right prophetic. Be careful what you take with an amber wave of grain of salt.
 
See Farm Boy, my librul media line was down right prophetic. Be careful what you take with an amber wave of grain of salt.

No that's just you making assumptions, and you know what they say about assumptions....

I never mentioned anything about a liberal bias in the media because I think that argument is BS. The media doesn't have a conservative or liberal bias, they have a profit bias. They will sensationalize any story they think will sell more papers or increase TV ratings.
 
Oh, I agree there. That is what makes the complaints about librul media bias so great - it is actually a complaint against the workings of the free market.
 
That also actually means they have a conservative bias unless they think they can get more viewers by pissing more people off than they can by telling them what they want to hear.
 
So no one here called any vet a coward. Thanks for confirming what I said. In fact, you found me saying even implying it was inappropriate. Nice job.

You defence of Schmidt, Ann Coulter, Oreilly and other Republicans was very professional.

Now that Democrats are in power and the shoes on the other foot. The type of outrage seems a little bit misplaced. What has surprised me the most has been both parties have reversed roles, like the last eight years didnt happen.
 
You defence of Schmidt, Ann Coulter, Oreilly and other Republicans was very professional.

As was your allegation that 'black helicopters fired white phos into civilian populations' once upon a time. :lol:

But you digress. You alleged one thing and were unable to find any evidence to support said allegation. In fact, you linked evidence contrary to your allegation.

Nice self goal.
 
I never mentioned anything about a liberal bias in the media because I think that argument is BS. The media doesn't have a conservative or liberal bias, they have a profit bias. They will sensationalize any story they think will sell more papers or increase TV ratings.

Can't remember who said it, but reality has a [British] Liberal bias.
 
Of course no system is perfect, but I think this issue is being blown way out of proportion. I seriously doubt the problem is as widespread as the article states, and most of the disability claims they refer to were probably filed for the reason I stated earlier. But since the media makes its money by making an issue out of everything, they just see the claims and cry "OMG, veterans are scamming the taxpayers!"

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there was quite a bit of 'scamming'. The sense of entitlement (and sheer greed) is a strong motivator. As well, the bureaucrats are quite worried about denying legitimate claims. As we know, veterans get quite a bit of political clout.

It does run the risk of being a transfer scheme to the middle-class, so it depends on how it's funded.
 
See Farm Boy, my librul media line was down right prophetic. Be careful what you take with an amber wave of grain of salt.

Still new and exciting. Still need a shovel to get rid of it.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there was quite a bit of 'scamming'. The sense of entitlement (and sheer greed) is a strong motivator. As well, the bureaucrats are quite worried about denying legitimate claims. As we know, veterans get quite a bit of political clout.

Today they do. 40 years ago it was a different story. But thats how our society works, and all we are seeing now is the needle swinging completely the opposite direction of what it was in the 70s. Perhaps what we are experiencing today is the guilt burden of spitting on soldiers coming home from Vietnam and calling them 'baby killers'.
 
Today they do. 40 years ago it was a different story. But thats how our society works, and all we are seeing now is the needle swinging completely the opposite direction of what it was in the 70s. Perhaps what we are experiencing today is the guilt burden of spitting on soldiers coming home from Vietnam and calling them 'baby killers'.

I have a feeling its taken this long for the US military to restore its reputation as an all volunteer force and for the US public collective memory to forget the worse aspects of the war.

The ironic thing is that those lesson of the vietnam war were repeated by those who did not fight.
 
Spitting on soldiers was actually quite isolated. Most people certainly didn't blame the victims of the draft. That was usually reserved for those who volunteered for multiple tours, or those who continued to support a civil war where we were clearly on the wrong side.

But even back then, most congressmen were quite reluctant to adequately pay for the costs for proper treatment of those who did fight, just as they do today. Here is one famous example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Kovic

Ronald Lawrence Kovic (born July 4, 1946) is an anti-war activist, veteran and writer who was paralyzed in the Vietnam War. He is best known as the author of the memoir Born on the Fourth of July, which was made into an Academy Award–winning movie directed by Oliver Stone, with Tom Cruise playing Kovic. Kovic received the Golden Globe Award for Best Screenplay on January 20, 1990, exactly 22 years to the day that he was wounded in Vietnam. Ron Kovic was also nominated for an Academy Award for best screen play.[1] Bruce Springsteen wrote the song "Shut Out The Light" after reading Kovic's memoir and then meeting him. Tom Paxton, the folk singer/political activist, wrote the song "Born on the Fourth of July", which is on his "New Songs from the Briarpatch" album. Academy Award winning actress Jane Fonda has stated that Ron Kovic's story was the inspiration for her film Coming Home.

Kovic became one of the best-known peace activists among the veterans of the war and has been arrested for political protest 12 times. He attended his first peace demonstration soon after the Kent State shootings in May 1970, and gave his first speech against the war at Levittown Memorial High School in Levittown, Long Island, New York that same spring. Kovic's speech that day was interrupted by a bomb threat and the auditorium cleared. Undeterred, Kovic continued speaking to students from the school's football grandstands. His first arrest was during an anti-Vietnam War demonstration at an Orange County, California draft board in the spring of 1971 when he refused to leave the office of the draft board explaining to a representative that by sending young men to Vietnam they were inadvertently, "condemning them to their death," or to be wounded and maimed like himself in a war that he had come to believe was, "immoral and made no sense." He was told that if he did not leave the draft board immediately he would be arrested. Kovic refused to leave and was taken away by police. In a new introduction to his book, Born on the Fourth of July, written in March 2005, Kovic stated, "I wanted people to understand. I wanted to share with them as nakedly and openly and intimately as possible what I had gone through, what I had endured. I wanted them to know what it really meant to be in a war—to be shot and wounded, to be fighting for my life on the intensive care ward—not the myth we had grown up believing. I wanted people to know about the hospitals and the enema room, about why I had become opposed to the war, why I had grown more and more committed to peace and nonviolence. I had been beaten by the police and arrested twelve times for protesting the war and I had spent many nights in jail in my wheelchair. I had been called a Communist and a traitor, simply for trying to tell the truth about what had happened in that war, but I refused to be intimidated." In early 1989, he presented Tom Cruise with his Bronze Star medal on the final day of filming Born on the Fourth of July explaining to the actor that he was giving him the award as a gift for his "courageous portrayal of the true horrors of war." Time Magazine reported that Oliver Stone said, "He gave it to Tom for bravery for having gone through this experience in hell as much as any person can without actually having been there."

In 1974, Kovic led a group of disabled Vietnam War veterans in wheelchairs on a 17-day hunger strike inside the Los Angeles office of Senator Alan Cranston. The veterans protested the "poor treatment in America's Veterans Hospitals" and demanded better treatment for returning veterans, a full investigation of all Veterans Affairs (V.A.) facilities, and a face-to-face meeting with head of the V.A. Donald E. Johnson. The strike continued to escalate until Johnson finally agreed to fly out from Washington, D.C., and meet with the veterans. The hunger strike ended soon after that. Several months later Johnson resigned. In late August 1974 Kovic traveled to Belfast, Northern Ireland, where he spent a week in the Catholic strong hold of, "Turf Lodge," interviewing both political activists and residents. In the spring of 1975 Kovic, photojournalist Loretta Smith, and author Richard Boyle traveled to cover the Cambodian Civil War as correspondents for the Pacific News Service.[citation needed]
 
Spitting on soldiers was actually quite isolated.
Source?

Most people certainly didn't blame the victims of the draft.
No, just the anti-war protesters that were spitting on them.

That was usually reserved for those who volunteered for multiple tours, or those who continued to support a civil war where we were clearly on the wrong side.
And this was apparent to them how?
 
Today they do. 40 years ago it was a different story. But thats how our society works, and all we are seeing now is the needle swinging completely the opposite direction of what it was in the 70s. Perhaps what we are experiencing today is the guilt burden of spitting on soldiers coming home from Vietnam and calling them 'baby killers'.

perhaps we are just more used to dead baby's on the nightly news now...
 
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