DMAW03: The Golden General

[Rex Tyrannus]

I would like to sign up for this. I'm quite drunk, so I'll have to check up what I'm signing up for tomorrow.

Wow, that ought to be a sobering experience. Kind of like waking up next to a tranny. Not...that, uh, I would know...or anything.

Oh, and does our Golden General take golden showers?

 

[GreyFox]

Curiously, Pholky had placed himself right before me, even though I had yet to sign up ...

I will settle in place as well ... hills for capital city is not really critical, since palace naturally give a cultural defense boost. Hills could be used for a second city.

I would go for Archery first, then BW and AH (regardless of where copper is). Normally I would advocate BW first, but raging barb demands archery.

 

[Cosmichail]

Greyfox that's a pansy thing needing archers. We don't need no friggin archers. However considering it's AW maybe you're right. On a normal game I would skip archery for a while but that's not AW though so you de wise one.

Wow, that ought to be a sobering experience. Kind of like waking up next to a tranny. Not...that, uh, I would know...or anything.

Oh, and does our Golden General take golden showers?

Ok Rex I am still laughing and choked on my sandwich. mmmmm I didn't know you were a mechanic. Funny thing too when I saw the "Golden General" I thought the same thing. Wow two preverted minds that think alike although I kept the thought in my head and you thought out loud like Homer. D'OH...

As to having hills I did find in the last game our capitol wasn't building warriors fast enough so I think we need them but I would like to see us pumping out swords/axes every 2 turns.

 

[GreyFox]

Cosmic: I said RB demands Archery, not AW. We could skip Archery if we feel lucky enough to have copper in our first city, else by the time we get from Mining -> BW -> IW, raging barbs would have our warriors all killed, or we won't have the opportunity to bring our settler out for claiming iron.

Also, I didn't say capital city don't need hills for prod. I meant capital city don't need to be on a hill for defense bonus.

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[Cosmichail]

I see that you said RB but I feel more threatened by the AI as the barbs won't show up for a while and warriors will do for a short time at least until we research BW first and if no copper then archery. (BARBS) I hate dead end techs and another player has the same sentiment earlier on in the thread. AH/BW would be more useful but on AW and Raging Barbs one might want to play it safe and get archery.

hills for capital city is not really critical since palace naturally give a cultural defense boost

This statement does not really say on a hill unless you can settle a city on "hills" (yes now I am nitpicking) and one does not necessarily deduce from the continuation of the statement you mean hill as defense bonus.

If you take it out of context then it sounds like you mean hills aren't needed because of capitol. Ok enough nitpicking so how was your flight and were the Singapore Girls Hot Hot oh baby. Those bathrooms are kind of small though but hey Asians probably fit perfectly. LOL....

 

[patagonia]

I'm a bit dubious about going for bronze before AH, since horses seem to be more common with the tweaks made to the map generator between vanilla and warlords (probably an attempt to nerf axe-rushing slightly).

Either one would be a slight gamble, but if we did have horses available, we'd be in a much stronger position than if we had bronze, because war chariots are cheaper (they cost the same as archers), have two movement and get a bonus attacking axes. Chariots also make better settler escorts.

We should be able to have hunting and AH researched by the time the worker's been built and started farming the rice and then we'll know whether to make a pit-stop for archery or head straight for bronze. It'll hurt a bit missing out on mining/chopping/whipping for a few turns, but the potential payoff's worth it in my opinion.

In terms of settling position, is there any kind of consensus yet? I think pholk and I both mentioned 2S as a possibility, sacrificing a forest. We would pick up desert by doing that, but I'm not sure our capital will ever get to the stage where it's working all of its tiles so that isn't really a problem, If I go ahead and do that, will that be OK? Settling in place gives us a commerce monster, but that's not going to be of much benefit in the early game here.

re: Priests and Obelisks, their two main uses are likely to be bulbing Theology for the +2XP from Theocracy and being settled for the hammer and gold bonus. We'll have to decide whether a detour to Mysticism and then time spent building Obelisks are worth it, since we get creative border pops anyway.

I'll probably play in about 8 hours or so.

 

[pigswill]

Due south looks good. Coastal, riverbank, rice and spiceforest in BFC.

 

[pholkhero]

Those bathrooms are kind of small though but hey Asians probably fit perfectly. LOL....

oh sh1t! that is some funny stuff there!!

Also, re: Fox's no hills comment ~ i too thought at first he meant we don't need it for production, but then there's the whole 'cultural defenses' part which qualifies the comment a bit.

e: Priests and Obelisks, their two main uses are likely to be bulbing Theology for the +2XP from Theocracy and being settled for the hammer and gold bonus. We'll have to decide whether a detour to Mysticism and then time spent building Obelisks are worth it, since we get creative border pops anyway.

good point about Theo; better point about GPs and the added hammers and gold they bring to cities when settled! i was actually thinking of the priests, themselves, not GPs; specifically, if running a 'priest-economy' would bring any benefit to us, or how to leverage a PE for us.

Finally, i know i mentioned cottages early, but maybe a Farms Only approach is better ~ esp for AW?

second finally, is this game ever going to have turns

 

[Cosmichail]

@pholk when I read Fox's comment it was late too.

I like the idea of obelisks and the ability to use priests. What we might think about rather than theology (although we need the XP) skip masonry altogether and let GP get us CS. (he get's most of it). Then we only need math and Machinery and voila we have maces. Ramesses is good for getting Hinduism but question is do we need it. I am also in favour of Patagonia's tech direction (hunting/AH) and hopefully the horses are nearby.

second finally, is this game ever going to have turns

Just pretend it's a SGOTM and we need several pages of discussion per turn.

 

[patagonia]

I like the idea of obelisks and the ability to use priests. What we might think about rather than theology (although we need the XP) skip masonry altogether and let GP get us CS. (he get's most of it). Then we only need math and Machinery and voila we have maces.

Pre 2.08 that'd be sound advice, but unfortunately the GP will now bulb Masonry rather than CS if I've read the changes right.

I am also in favour of Patagonia's tech direction (hunting/AH) and hopefully the horses are nearby.

I like my tech direction too, but unfortunatley something's come up and I won't be able to play until Sunday so if Cabledawg wants a swap, he should pick up the save to avoid me delaying this any longer

 

[Cosmichail]

Wow anything else this patch screws up for the player. No CS slingshot with GP, AI grows much faster now regardless of health/happy. Has no problem building numerous cities when human builds 4 and economy goes in the crapper. Techs at much faster speed too and has longbows before you can get to maces. Human player needs a much different strategy or just dump the patched game altogether. The only I like about the patch is that you can finally airlift to your vassals. Oh everytime I play too get placed with nothing but jungle around me which screws up things too. So much fun indeed.

The rate the AI goes you are building space parts in the 1700's. The vanilla emperor feels easier than monarch warlords patched. mmmmm

Ok got that off my chest. I am glad I have a dual install. Looking forward to SGOTM as maybe as a team one can develop a strategy against this new AI. I think it just means bashing heads a lot sooner. Quecha rush anyone?

 

[pigswill]

On t'other hand to get CS slingshot you just need to get theology without monarchy, get CoL and maths and a spare Prophet. No problem!

 

[Cabledawg]

Jeez, someone start this puppy allready...lol. Im growing old just reading all the post.

 

[patagonia]

Several hours later, the young woman’s eyes swollen and bloodshot from her sadness, she woke up to see the noonday sun high overhead. My family, she thought to herself . . . murdered. And now, what? Me, a leader of men? A general?? And the enemies of Tokugawa, here?!? For me?? Nonsense, she thought to herself, nonsense . . .

Stricken with grief for the grandfather that wasn't, and the family she had never known, the young woman returned to the village. She didn't want to believe his tale of murder, war and destruction, lest of all because he had spoken of his fears that these were stalking her to this tropical paradise. However, she could see no reason why the old man, the only family she had ever known, would have lied to her on his death bed, so believe him she must.

But first she must grieve. Grieve for lives lost, and those that surely would be if the old man's dire warnings came to pass.

​

Returning to Thebes and the Egyptian people who had always welcomed her as one of their own, she put all thoughts of the dark prophecy to the back of her mind. For the time being, there were more pressing matters to attend to: the old man had to be buried and the customary period of mourning observed.

Some days later, Senemut, a member of the tribal council that governed Thebes, came to the hut which the young woman had until recently shared with the old man. He had to talk to her, he said, about troubling reports filtering back to the village from local hunting parties. Reports of warriors roaming the countryside; men with bloodlust in their eyes and blackness in their hearts; men the like of which this peaceful land had not seen before.

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A shadow descended on the young woman's heart. Could it be that the dying man's prophecy were true? That enemies really were seeking her out in an attempt to extinguish her family line? Such thoughts were painful and distressing in equal measure, for if the basis for them were sound, not only did it mean the slaughter of the Japanese people who had given her life, but also the slaughter of the Egyptian people with whom she had shared it. By Amun, surely this could not be?

She had been too young to remember, Senemut said, but when they had been washed up on the shore all those years ago, the old man and golden child, he had told the elders everything of their plight. Of how they were fleeing from enemies innumerable with an insatiable desire for murder, and of the myriad sacrifices made to save both himself and the child. Her. Knowing the potential dangers, the Egyptians had taken them in and given them food and shelter, a new home and a fresh start far from the wartorn lands of their ancestors. It had been agreed that the girl should not be told of the past, spared the horrors and allowed as innocent and carefree an upbringing as possible. Those days, alas, had gone. If reports were to be believed then she was left with a stark choice: to run, flee and spend the rest of her days being pursued, relentlessly hunted for the blood that flowed in her viens; or to make a stand. Here, now, to face the enemies of her fathers, those who would butcher innocents, staining the earth with their blood. The Egyptian people would stand by her, Senemut said, whichever path she chose to follow, for such men were a threat to all and none could stand idly by whilst they scorned the gods with their wicked ways.

Senemut had presented this to her as a choice, but both of them new there was none. Not really. How could she run, when these men had killed her people? How could she run, when these men would stop at nothing until they had killed her too? How could she run, when surely they would rape, pillage, torture and slaughter their way through Egyptian lands in search of evidence of her whereabouts?

There was only one choice.

To stand.

To fight.

To avenge.

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Their enemies were many. Ruthless, cunning, well prepared and well equipped. But to run would be a betrayal, not only of her forefathers, but of the peaceful Egyptian people who had given her life meaning and hope. She told Senemut that she would stand with him against the aggressors. How could she not?

It was then that they heard cries of alarm sounding all around them. A child breathless, wide-eyed with terror, burst into the hut. Men were coming, descending on the settlement as they stood there speaking. There was no time.

No time.

 

[patagonia]

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[Ozbenno]

Ah, the ole' AW worker first gambit.

 

[pigswill]

Good job we had a lot of discussion or the thread would have been about five posts before defeat.

 

[GreyFox]

Holy Jesus Christ .... WTF!?!?

 

[Cabledawg]

lol....thats too funny. Wow...archers as scouts...whood a thunk it? Any objections to me rolling another start, another story, and worldbuilding 1 archer in the capitol or lowering the difficulty?.....or both....lol or maybe Patagonia was having a dream.

 

[Cosmichail]

Ummm that's a joke right? He is going to post the real turn soon right?
In the words of the immortal Homer, D'oh, d'oh, d'oh,

Ok she's dead now so who do we revive now?