Do I want Windows 10?
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Broken_Erika
Play with me.
I'm not sure if it was a Windows update, or some new flash or HTML5 update or feature that has made my video driver less than stable...worst of all, there are no updates for my video driver.
zxcvbob
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Windows update damaged PC's with AMD processors last year; they wouldn't boot. I don't know if it was repairable or what (maybe they would boot from external drives); all my PC's are Intel, but some of the guys on my hallway at work were cussing about it when it happened.
Nah, probably just not paying attention before, and whiny users had less ability to be vocal online in XP days.
https://www.computerworld.com/artic...ripples-xp-with-blue-screen--users-claim.html
Source?
Broken_Erika
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Probably bricked Windows, not the computer.
Nothing a reformat and reinstall can't fix.
"Bricked windows" isn't a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)
"In the common usage of the term, "bricking" suggests that the damage is so serious as to have rendered the device permanently unusable."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_(electronics)
"In the common usage of the term, "bricking" suggests that the damage is so serious as to have rendered the device permanently unusable."
Broken_Erika
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Well it is a thing; It's just not quite relevant....
I should have said "Self-Corruption" which is something windows has always excelled at.
zxcvbob
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My source was the guy 2 offices down, but you probably don't know him.
I just found this: https://www.tomsguide.com/us/meltdown-spectre-patch-amb-bricking,news-26389.htmlIt's really not.
Broken_Erika
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My experience with widows update says otherwise...
I mean it onkly took me about a week and 5 factory recovery's followed by me manually installing each and every update one at a time(all like 700 of them) to get my current machine working.
I am fully 10,000,000% biased against windows update and nothing will ever change my mind. The only reason i keep using windows is because all the software and games i own are designed for it. Otherwise i would have gone to linux 12 years ago.
There is no configuration of Windows 10 that has anything *close* to 700 updates available. MS only regularly publishes rollups now, where each month's updates includes every previous update, and there's a new major release every 6 months that starts with a clean slate.
"Even if I'm wrong, I won't admit it."
"Even if I'm wrong, I won't admit it."
My questions is why does win 10 need constant updates and annoying take overs of its computers? My malwarebytes updates every day and scans my system everyday and does so without a fuss or interfering with what I'm doing.
zxcvbob
Emperor
Because '10 reloads the entire operating system (at least most of it) and resets all the defaults every time it updates.
I've literally never heard horror stories from MacOS users. Nor for Windows service packs or major updates prior to 10. I myself have used 7 and updated 7 and had no issues. Win10 has screwed over tons of people with its updates.
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
The only problem i had with windows 7 updates was timing. Working at a computer store, finishing a customers machine, about to give it to them and Windows is installing updates; 1 of 57......Despite the fact that i ran windows update like 5 times already.
It doesn't, is why. Since MS introduced update rollups to Win7, the only functional difference between Win7 and Win10 for updates is that for the Home edition only, Win10 doesn't allow the permanent disabling of updates.
You can set active hours during which Win10 will not update, you can designate network connections as limited bandwidth to prevent updates from using those connections, and if you have any edition of Win10 other than Home, you can disable updates entirely. Furthermore, MS has put considerable engineering efforts into segregating update tasks into low-priority background operations, and into reducing the number of reboots required with updates compared to previous versions of Windows.
See:
Win8 update improvements: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8...s-after-automatic-updating-in-windows-update/
Some of the Win10 update improvements: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ding-customers-choice-control-creators-update
You do get an extra reboot every 6 months when MS rolls out a major update, which won't happen with Win7 because Win7 is out of mainstream support.
The former isn't true for anything other than major updates, and it's an implementation detail, it's not especially relevant to the end-user other than for allowing for a full revert of major updates.
It's where every modern OS is going for various reasons. Android does the same thing - modern phones ship with two OS partitions, updates stream to the inactive one, and they get swapped on the next phone reboot for zero-downtime updates.
The latter isn't true. In early Win10 updates a handful of defaults got reset. That generally doesn't happen anymore, and with settings synced between MS accounts, you should be resetting far fewer Windows settings from default than ever before. (Since Win8, I've never had to disable sticky keys again!)
You are *literally* just saying that you're ignorant of cases that you could trivially Google.
Boot failures when updating macOS last year: https://success.trendmicro.com/solu...-after-upgrading-to-macos-high-sierra-10-13-2
Windows 7 update causing various blue screens and endless reboots: https://www.computerworld.com/artic...o-uninstall--blue-screen-of-death--patch.html
The only problem i had with windows 7 updates was timing. Working at a computer store, finishing a customers machine, about to give it to them and Windows is installing updates; 1 of 57......Despite the fact that i ran windows update like 5 times already.
This hasn't been the case in for any supported version of Windows since 2016: https://arstechnica.com/information...art-getting-cumulative-for-7-8-2008-and-2012/
If updating is a nightmare because of the bandwidth consumption or whatever, you can just train yourself to manually set the computer to update whenever you know you're going to not use it but you'll still be around in case, say, there's a power cut.
And somehow your mother decides to get you a computer for your birthday.
@Zelig
My brick is a more colloquial brick, but not all bricks are created equal. Soft bricking is also a thing. Which Windows has done to people.
The windows 10 notifications, on the bottom right? All the spam that pops up? Unblockable. Literally unblockable, and I have the Pro edition. There is no option to disable those. From what I'm told, you have to do a manual registry edit. Personally, as mentioned, I blocked microsoft IPs with Glasswire.
And Win10 updates ruining people's computers is way more common than you'd think. These comments are pulled from 3 or 4 reddit threads on ONE subreddit which is not even devoted to software.
MetagenCybrid 7 points 1 year ago
I got the creators update a couple of weeks ago, it broke most of my steam library, it broke Adobe suite, thrustmasters target software and drivers for the t16000m. And several other items, they would all crash at start up. Compatibility modes made no difference.
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jonythunder 14 points 10 months ago
Not the guy above, but I had a client losing data from an application running in W10 (running in windows 7 compatibility mode) because when the system updated to anniversary it not only broke the compatibility of the application, it also nuked it's MS SQL databases because it corrupted them when restarting... in the 3 computers in the office.
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Windows 10 Creators update has completely ruined my OS
Submitted 1 year ago by Liverpool934
They forced the update a few days ago and my Start key didn't work, now none of my windows apps work which I kind of need at the minute for work, if I have to reinstall windows and then reinstall all of my programs too it will take me all day and I really would like to avoid that option if possible, I also have files encrypted on my PC that I would need to decrypt before reinstalling windows or else from past experience I will lose them.
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LiL_BrOwNiE247 62 points 1 year ago
The Creators Update has caused nothing but trouble for a lot of people. I just built my system (7700k + 1080 Ti) and my benchmark scores are a lot lower than what they were with the Anniversary Update. All of my friends with Nvidia cards have also reported lower performance in games that shouldn't be causing problems. Just last night, a few of us were playing Borderlands 2 (4.5 years old) and one guy with a 1070 was sometimes dropping to 20-30 FPS
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nobadabing 6 points 1 year ago*
The Creators Update has been hell for me. Overwatch freezes my computer if I try to exit out of it or alt-tab. My games all run like garbage on low while I could run them just fine on medium - high before the update. On top of this my fps drops by a lot randomly. I found that for some reason it switched my graphics card off of my nvidia to my CPU, but that didn't help anything when I corrected that, even if I went back. I turned off game mode and game dvr and all of that stuff. Clean installing my graphics drivers helped a little bit but also didn't fix anything. These issues all persist even if I revert back to the previous update. I've honestly ran out of ideas.
And they tried to bill this as an update that would enhance gaming. Sure.
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Windows Fall Creator update caused my PC to intermittently freeze. Finally solved it!self.buildapc
Submitted 3 months ago * by imperialka
EDIT 3: first time getting reddit gold, wow. Thank you! Looks like this is resolving issues for many, cheers! =)
EDIT 4: anonymous person told me this helped fixed their son’s computer. And another person told me they were close to just buying a new computer altogether to resolve the issue until they read this post.
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New Windows 10 update (1803) disables Microphone app use - tons of people ITT bought new mics because of this... how much of other people's money is Microsoft wasting?
aegarn 1 point 11 days ago
Also, it uninstalled the media pack for me. Suddenly apps wouldn’t start because of missing dll files...
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zabizab 1 point 11 days ago
Hey! I got the update some days ago and got a huuuge problem.
I went to turn off my pc before going to bed and it asked me to update. Next morning I went to turn it on and it was just stucked in a black screen with the loading mouse. Does anyone know what to do?
GBtuba 2 points 11 days ago
That's exactly what my laptop does. I've tried everything, even my buddy's MRI disc isn't helping.
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Knowlongerlurking 1 point 10 days ago
I dowloaded the 1803 update. It failed the install, but stuck my PC in an infinite boot loop that I could not restore, reinstall, roll back to a previous build, or otherwise break out of.
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KantaiWarrior 1 point 11 days ago
Few updates ago, the update broke my Fallout 4. Still not fixed.
I need to reinstall my OS :/
Shandlar 14 points 11 days ago
Yeah, it's so weird. Windows 10 is just not stable at all somehow. It's update procedures appear to corrupt data dramatically easier than any previous MS OS that I recall in the last 20 years of internet updates since Windows 2000.
I've never had my OS just flat out break where my GPU drivers started glitching to **** and steam games start crashing randomly on the new update until I reformat and reinstall from scratch. Windows can sometimes start acting a little glitchy and I'll buy a new HD and get a new install that way, but that was literally twice ever over 16 years.
In the 2.5 years of Windows 10 Pro, I'm already on my third scratch installation, and I swear it's already getting glitchy.
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iMythD 2 points 1 year ago
I work for an Aussie Telco, and when windows 10 hit, all our customers with USB dogies came in screaming bloody murder that we broke all their old dongles. It was a bloody nightmare.
Also, WTH is with that windows 10 update that kicked people off the internet? I had many people come in that couldn't connect to the internet after an update, and the fix was a few CMD lines resetting some catalog thing. How the hell did that not blow up? I never saw it got mentioned?
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in conclusion: how manytens hundreds of thousands of man hours have been lost from Win10 mistakes? Do you know how many hours of my own time it's stolen from me? None, after I blocked it from maliciously intervening in my life.
You mentioned earlier how these soft hits aren't a big deal because you can just reformat and reinstall. Aren't you familiar with how many people don't have backups in place? If their computers crapped their pants they'd lose potentially years of work, and while they should have had backups in place, this isn't a random mechanical failure that you can blame on entropy, it's Microsoft malice. Plus more people are falling under data caps as download sizes grow larger and larger.
My brick is a more colloquial brick, but not all bricks are created equal. Soft bricking is also a thing. Which Windows has done to people.
The windows 10 notifications, on the bottom right? All the spam that pops up? Unblockable. Literally unblockable, and I have the Pro edition. There is no option to disable those. From what I'm told, you have to do a manual registry edit. Personally, as mentioned, I blocked microsoft IPs with Glasswire.
And Win10 updates ruining people's computers is way more common than you'd think. These comments are pulled from 3 or 4 reddit threads on ONE subreddit which is not even devoted to software.
MetagenCybrid 7 points 1 year ago
I got the creators update a couple of weeks ago, it broke most of my steam library, it broke Adobe suite, thrustmasters target software and drivers for the t16000m. And several other items, they would all crash at start up. Compatibility modes made no difference.
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jonythunder 14 points 10 months ago
Not the guy above, but I had a client losing data from an application running in W10 (running in windows 7 compatibility mode) because when the system updated to anniversary it not only broke the compatibility of the application, it also nuked it's MS SQL databases because it corrupted them when restarting... in the 3 computers in the office.
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Windows 10 Creators update has completely ruined my OS
Submitted 1 year ago by Liverpool934
They forced the update a few days ago and my Start key didn't work, now none of my windows apps work which I kind of need at the minute for work, if I have to reinstall windows and then reinstall all of my programs too it will take me all day and I really would like to avoid that option if possible, I also have files encrypted on my PC that I would need to decrypt before reinstalling windows or else from past experience I will lose them.
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LiL_BrOwNiE247 62 points 1 year ago
The Creators Update has caused nothing but trouble for a lot of people. I just built my system (7700k + 1080 Ti) and my benchmark scores are a lot lower than what they were with the Anniversary Update. All of my friends with Nvidia cards have also reported lower performance in games that shouldn't be causing problems. Just last night, a few of us were playing Borderlands 2 (4.5 years old) and one guy with a 1070 was sometimes dropping to 20-30 FPS
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nobadabing 6 points 1 year ago*
The Creators Update has been hell for me. Overwatch freezes my computer if I try to exit out of it or alt-tab. My games all run like garbage on low while I could run them just fine on medium - high before the update. On top of this my fps drops by a lot randomly. I found that for some reason it switched my graphics card off of my nvidia to my CPU, but that didn't help anything when I corrected that, even if I went back. I turned off game mode and game dvr and all of that stuff. Clean installing my graphics drivers helped a little bit but also didn't fix anything. These issues all persist even if I revert back to the previous update. I've honestly ran out of ideas.
And they tried to bill this as an update that would enhance gaming. Sure.
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Windows Fall Creator update caused my PC to intermittently freeze. Finally solved it!self.buildapc
Submitted 3 months ago * by imperialka
EDIT 3: first time getting reddit gold, wow. Thank you! Looks like this is resolving issues for many, cheers! =)
EDIT 4: anonymous person told me this helped fixed their son’s computer. And another person told me they were close to just buying a new computer altogether to resolve the issue until they read this post.
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New Windows 10 update (1803) disables Microphone app use - tons of people ITT bought new mics because of this... how much of other people's money is Microsoft wasting?
aegarn 1 point 11 days ago
Also, it uninstalled the media pack for me. Suddenly apps wouldn’t start because of missing dll files...
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zabizab 1 point 11 days ago
Hey! I got the update some days ago and got a huuuge problem.
I went to turn off my pc before going to bed and it asked me to update. Next morning I went to turn it on and it was just stucked in a black screen with the loading mouse. Does anyone know what to do?
GBtuba 2 points 11 days ago
That's exactly what my laptop does. I've tried everything, even my buddy's MRI disc isn't helping.
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Knowlongerlurking 1 point 10 days ago
I dowloaded the 1803 update. It failed the install, but stuck my PC in an infinite boot loop that I could not restore, reinstall, roll back to a previous build, or otherwise break out of.
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KantaiWarrior 1 point 11 days ago
Few updates ago, the update broke my Fallout 4. Still not fixed.
I need to reinstall my OS :/
Shandlar 14 points 11 days ago
Yeah, it's so weird. Windows 10 is just not stable at all somehow. It's update procedures appear to corrupt data dramatically easier than any previous MS OS that I recall in the last 20 years of internet updates since Windows 2000.
I've never had my OS just flat out break where my GPU drivers started glitching to **** and steam games start crashing randomly on the new update until I reformat and reinstall from scratch. Windows can sometimes start acting a little glitchy and I'll buy a new HD and get a new install that way, but that was literally twice ever over 16 years.
In the 2.5 years of Windows 10 Pro, I'm already on my third scratch installation, and I swear it's already getting glitchy.
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iMythD 2 points 1 year ago
I work for an Aussie Telco, and when windows 10 hit, all our customers with USB dogies came in screaming bloody murder that we broke all their old dongles. It was a bloody nightmare.
Also, WTH is with that windows 10 update that kicked people off the internet? I had many people come in that couldn't connect to the internet after an update, and the fix was a few CMD lines resetting some catalog thing. How the hell did that not blow up? I never saw it got mentioned?
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in conclusion: how many
You mentioned earlier how these soft hits aren't a big deal because you can just reformat and reinstall. Aren't you familiar with how many people don't have backups in place? If their computers crapped their pants they'd lose potentially years of work, and while they should have had backups in place, this isn't a random mechanical failure that you can blame on entropy, it's Microsoft malice. Plus more people are falling under data caps as download sizes grow larger and larger.
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Yeah I'm not reading that wall of text. I could just as easily get you comparable wall of anecdotal text for macOS or Windows XP/7.
I have no idea what your complaint is about notifications. You can generally disable them for any particular source. They're comparable to OS notifications in any of macOS/iOS/Android/etc. Off the top of my head, none of these operating systems allow you to globally disable notifications.
I have no idea what your complaint is about notifications. You can generally disable them for any particular source. They're comparable to OS notifications in any of macOS/iOS/Android/etc. Off the top of my head, none of these operating systems allow you to globally disable notifications.
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
Most of it seems to involve Windows updates changing some part of the OS code causing programs and drivers that use that part of the code to stop working. Thus requiring said drivers and programs to be updated or reinstalled with an updated version. Never remember that happening with XP or Win7. And i worked at a computer store for over 12 years......Most of thew problems i had were with updates not installing properly, and having to hunt down drivers for devices from companies that no longer existed.(i.e. using vista drivers on a win7 computer, or tracking a device down by it's chipset. Astra32 rules!)
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