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They wouldnt want us back: it was their idea to get rid of us in the first place.
Do you recognise Kosovo?
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They wouldnt want us back: it was their idea to get rid of us in the first place.
Huayna Capac357
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Kosovo! Yay! Wootwoot!!!!
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Turkey will have much less leverage in dealing with the Kurds (the more indepedence oriented of whom, will laugh at Turkey's beligerence) now that the recognize Kosovo though they might parlay it to help them with Cyprus (not that Greece & most of Europe will give up there though). I wonder if Sudan will recognize Kosovo?
For my part I am not entirely sure whether independence is good or not, however I do not think that the current demographic situation should be the sole criterion for deciding the issue unless it is divided between Serbia and Albania. The conflict & animosity between the two groups must somehow be stopped though. The issue is thus difficult. Genocide must stopped and never again occur-that much is clear. On that ground independence might lead to a possible peaceful resolution of the conflict if the Kosovo state is clearly both Albanian and Serbian and not just a de-facto Albanian state.
For my part I am not entirely sure whether independence is good or not, however I do not think that the current demographic situation should be the sole criterion for deciding the issue unless it is divided between Serbia and Albania. The conflict & animosity between the two groups must somehow be stopped though. The issue is thus difficult. Genocide must stopped and never again occur-that much is clear. On that ground independence might lead to a possible peaceful resolution of the conflict if the Kosovo state is clearly both Albanian and Serbian and not just a de-facto Albanian state.
Enkidu Warrior
Ultramagnetic
Oh, we're playing the empathy game eh?
If the land was being taken by the people who actually lived there in response to a legitimate grievance then good luck to them.
If your government was trying to ethnically cleanse your ethnic group would you be happy to continue being governed by them? If Serbia was serious about hanging on to Kosovo it should have been a hell of a lot nicer to Kosovo's majority ethnic group. Instead they just tried to kill them all and now Kosovo has had the good sense to part ways. Cry me a river.
Why don't japanese give ainu the independence?
Hokkaido: ~2.5% Ainu
Kosovo: 92% Albanian
Amen.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Andorra and San Marino look more "viable" than Belgium if you ask me
And the point you made was that those countries do not have any really weight on the international scene because they are too small. True. But fact is Czeck Republic is not that influential on the international scene neither. It may hurt your nation's feelings but it's the truth
You still don't get it, which means you're more obtuse than I thought, or you're trying to provoke me and you failed
Liechtenstein has about 40 thousands inhabitants. That is about the same as the population of the part of the city where I live. The same goes for San Marino.
These countries don't only have a minimum influence, they're not really independent and sovereign (they often use a currency of their bigger neighbour and are economically and politically fully dependant on them). They function as tax-free havens, refuge for people evading taxes in their home country (see the latest scandal in Germany) and as tourist traps. I admit it is interesting to visit a country of a size of a small town, but that doesn't make such a country any more serious.
So, if you want to continue in this pointless "discussion" (if I don't know what to say, I try to insult the opponents country), find somebody else to annoy.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
I don't really care, but if they want to go through with it (and it looks like they do), good luck to them.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Which is, incidentally, not recognized by most Western countries...
(are we really going to pretend that this is NOT hypocritical?)
HannibalBarka
We are Free
You still don't get it, which means you're more obtuse than I thought, or you're trying to provoke me and you failed
Liechtenstein has about 40 thousands inhabitants. That is about the same as the population of the part of the city where I live. The same goes for San Marino.
These countries don't only have a minimum influence, they're not really independent and sovereign (they often use a currency of their bigger neighbour and are economically and politically fully dependant on them). They function as tax-free havens, refuge for people evading taxes in their home country (see the latest scandal in Germany) and as tourist traps. I admit it is interesting to visit a country of a size of a small town, but that doesn't make such a country any more serious.
So, if you want to continue in this pointless "discussion" (if I don't know what to say, I try to insult the opponents country), find somebody else to annoy.
Don't get mad Winner, I am not trying to tease you or to "insult" your country. I am telling you that on the world stage the "weight" of the Czeck Republic isn't significantly bigger than that of those small countries you are "mocking". the wole population of your country is that of a chinese city suburbs.
Partizanac
Serbian Ambassador in CFC
Where was those ethnic cleansing? give me the facts... I want to see reports with facts that there were ethnic leasing...
The any cleansing that happened was Serbian police force arriving to Kosovo to quell the raging mob, and they arived to armed civilians... and I mean heavily armed civilians... I'm saying this from a view that my father was a commander of a small group ok police officers from Subotica... and he compares it with Vietnam and VC... once you see a civilian and you turn your head away and he shoots you...
Then normally, police was called away from Kosovo (mostly) and army was sent there to fight the separatists... and for ever armed civilian UCK (Albanian Terrorists) took their fallen men weapons, so later they can say (already on bad reputation) Serbs killed unarmed men
And I agree with Stormrage, if USA was at this situation their propaganda would be so strong that you would begin to hate their separatist groups
The only mistake Serbs did, was trying to behave like USA
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
I say lets go back to the 1980's. The time when I learned about the topography of Europe.
Would that suit the Serbs?
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Dude, you can`t compare Yugoslavia, a Federation of Republiks, with Serbia...
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Nope, but I knew all the capitals for all European countries back then. Not anymore. Allthough Pristina is a lovely name for a capital.
About Ethnic Cleansing. Not as one-sided as some claim. Not as non-existant as others claim.
About Ethnic Cleansing. Not as one-sided as some claim. Not as non-existant as others claim.
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Its actually called Priština (Š=sh). And "prišt" means "a zit"..
It basicly translates to Huge Zit.
Yeah, lovely..
It basicly translates to Huge Zit.
Yeah, lovely..
aronnax
Let your spirit be free
Okay now let the people who recognise Kosovo think about this for a second
Kosovo economy is one of the weakest in Europe, with a GDP comparable to that of Nambia or Iraq.
Half its population is unemployed
Russia, UN Pernament Member with Veto Powers, will Veto Kosovo's entry into the UN
Many country's are waiting for EU decisions on the matter
High chance of many country's with ethnic groups asking for indepedence not seeing Kosovo independence (China, India, Indonesia)
70% of it economy is how much its debt is
The industrial sector remains weak and the electric power supply remains unreliable
No easy routes to international trade (Landlocked)
It shares 1/2 its border with a neighbour that is not going to let Independence of Koscovo come so easily.
One of their Major trading partners, Bosnia & Hergoznia may not recongnize it.
It has a very small population.
Its not ready of Indepedance.
And It wont be anytime soon
I would rather have all the Albanians move to Albania than become a new State.
I would rather see the Restoration of a fair Yugoslavia
Long Live Europe with less borders!
Kosovo economy is one of the weakest in Europe, with a GDP comparable to that of Nambia or Iraq.
Half its population is unemployed
Russia, UN Pernament Member with Veto Powers, will Veto Kosovo's entry into the UN
Many country's are waiting for EU decisions on the matter
High chance of many country's with ethnic groups asking for indepedence not seeing Kosovo independence (China, India, Indonesia)
70% of it economy is how much its debt is
The industrial sector remains weak and the electric power supply remains unreliable
No easy routes to international trade (Landlocked)
It shares 1/2 its border with a neighbour that is not going to let Independence of Koscovo come so easily.
One of their Major trading partners, Bosnia & Hergoznia may not recongnize it.
It has a very small population.
Its not ready of Indepedance.
And It wont be anytime soon
I would rather have all the Albanians move to Albania than become a new State.
I would rather see the Restoration of a fair Yugoslavia
Long Live Europe with less borders!
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Yugoslavia was as artificial and unworkable as Kosovo. It was created after WW1 because the Entente powers knew nothing about Slavic nations in Balkans, so they "persuaded" them to form a unified country - it was easier to handle, they thought.
After the second world war, Yugoslavia was restored because the Soviets wanted to dominate all of its nations, not just the Serbs, and Croats agreed only because they had their hands covered in Serbian blood (they were loyal puppets of the German occupiers).
It's people have NEVER really wanted to live together in one country, that's why the country was doomed to failure from the very beginning.
After the second world war, Yugoslavia was restored because the Soviets wanted to dominate all of its nations, not just the Serbs, and Croats agreed only because they had their hands covered in Serbian blood (they were loyal puppets of the German occupiers).
It's people have NEVER really wanted to live together in one country, that's why the country was doomed to failure from the very beginning.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
It's you who started talking about influence, I said that these countries are not "real" countries because of their very nature (as described above).
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Long live to one Europe
sounds better
sounds better
Ekolite
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No, I don't recognise Kosovo. If the EU lts them be independant then soon enough other insignificant bastards will get the idea that they can be independant too. For e.g. is it Aragon or something that wants independance from Spain? Then in the UK the Welsh and Scottish think they can be their own countries, a little while ago we even had Cornwall wanting to be independant! I mean WTH? And anyway, you know what they say, ''divide and conquor'' Europe splitting into hundreds of little states would leave us all powerless to defend ourselves from terrorists, russia, America etc.
HannibalBarka
We are Free
and you are wrong, those countries existed for centuries. Andorra exists as a country before tens of "real" countries including yours. The only reason to look "down" on Andorra is that it is not influential, but in that case nor is Czeck Republic. When it comes to legitimacyn and that is the topic at hands, Andorra is most certainly more legitimate that half the world countries
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