Do You think A WW III will happen? and if so.....

[Hell-Raiser]

Do You think A WW III will happen? and if so what will you're response be???

<br />I think It won't happen cuze it's not an attack of country but of terrorist they would take the terrorist and not the coutry, <br />example: If the terrorist would be under command of Russia USA will get the terrorist not the country

Attacking Russia for such an action is just not right.. <br />(they are to powerfull)

you're opinion up on this please

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I have posted a topic a few months ago about this<a href="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=001001" target="_blank">WWIII</a>

i came tho this conclusion

Well OK ,you guys make all strong points.Its maybe not so likely that a WWIII would start today ,but then again ,i ask an oppinion when you would think it would happen.<br />But will the world in 10 years be the same like it was now?<br />Look at the world difference between 1928 & 1938.<br />ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.<br />Eventually ,it's above us.Nobody can say with surtiness what will happen in 10 years.<br />In that case i think ("its my oppinion") ,or even fear world diplomatic relations will detteriorate.(i even fear its happening right now) But its just a GUESS.<br />Certainly ,i'm no political advisor.I don't have all the knowledge ,no'r the answers.<br />I think there are a lot more better educated and experianced people than me on this forum.<br />Then again ,i'm only 20 years old so....<br />(i have a lot to learn)<br /><hr></blockquote>

Ant that was wat happend.

Anyway ,russia is not our enemy anymore.<br />The fight agains terrorism will make them our firends.

 

[H Tower]

I think you hit the nail on the head hell raiser, if the terrorists were backed by a militarily or economically strong country(excluding the arabic ones) the US won't attack. our economy's already in the sh!tter and bush wouldn't want to make it any worse by pissing off a country like russia or china.

and if it was a little country, they won't last long against US/NATO airstrikes. and i don't think bush is stupid enough to send in ground troops.

 

[floppa21]

Isn't it more likely that the USA and Russia become Allies?

 

[jc011]

they say that iran, iraq, syria, lybia, sudan and afghanistan are all on their list of suspected countries harbouring terrorists, if the US decides to start a war with these countries, NATO will have to back them and Russia may possibly join in.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

origimaly posted by floppa21

Isn't it more likely that the USA and Russia become Allies? <hr></blockquote>

I said it ten times already ,the russians are THE friends to have on this moment.The world has changed a lot in 50 years.And Russia ,Europe and america share a lot of commen interests.Especialy on the ground of terrorism.Maybe even China could be our friend now.The more Superpowers condem terrorism ,the more that the terrorist get in a difficult situation.

they say that iran, iraq, syria, lybia, sudan and afghanistan are all on their list of suspected countries harbouring terrorists, if the US decides to start a war with these countries, NATO will have to back them and Russia may possibly join in.<br /><hr></blockquote>

And that would be for the best.Russia has a lot of power & friends in that region.And whe can use the Russian southern terretories as bases for security armies.And Russia will like that a lot.<br />Europe to.And it will be very good to ensure our oil suply's.

Nato was eventual an organization against russia.<br />Now Russia can join the Nato and whe can call it Nto. (Northern treaty organization)

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[Magnus]

How can you see a world war spreading out of a minor regional conflict? The Muslim nations are not unified enough (who would Saudi Arabia support, who would Jordan or Turkey or Egypt support?) to create an alliance that could stop the West from intervening in Afghanistan.

 

[floppa21]

If China decides to not be "with" the US, then hold on to your jimmies!!!

 

[Morten Blaabjerg]

Originally posted by H Tower:<br /><strong>(...) i don't think bush is stupid enough to send in ground troops.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope he does. Doesn't he have to send in some kind of special squads to be confident, that he gets the people responsible? I think the fatal flaw of the gulf war was US hesitation to bring Saddam Husseins rule to an end. They could have landed troops in Baghdad, without much opposition, I think. And much grief would've been brought to an end. I have iraqi friends who'd probably agree. I didn't really see the point in a large scale airstrike, without the follow-up. And I surely hope that Bush doesn't repeat his fathers mistake. Saddam might very well be responsible for the present terror attacks on the US.

On a second point : I think there's a huge difference between getting to the people responsible, and the "just nuke all the camel f***ers, they're all the same" reaction. -They're not. I have friends who had to flee their native country, because they were working for political parties of the opposition, and Saddams secret police was out for them. I think this is true for many of the arab-americans living in the US, too. They have had to flee their country in order to live in freedom. Most moslems are as terrified by these bombings as everyone else. -So please don't go out making prejudicial errors.

If anyone of you saw Arafats reaction for one, even though his advisor kept whispering in his ear, you could see that he was thoroughly and profoundly shocked. Whatever Arafats past, he and other arab leaders show the sympathy and shock in the same way as europeans do. What this is about, is solving the problems in the middle east on some sort of permanent basis, so we doesn't have to fear for something like this happening again. <br />And IMO, the US and Nato HAVE to do this with ground troops on some level. One doesn't solve problems with airstrikes.

 

[G-Man]

I think the US should attack any country that help terrorists. The only thing terrorists need is support. They already have the will to do anything.<br />If a country is supporting one anti-American terror group, there's no reason they won't support another one. The US should set this attack as an example, and crush all goverments that supported these terrorists.<br />You needed much less to join WWII against some of the strongest armies ever. Today you're facing an attack on the US citizens, coming from weak countries that are trying to become stronger.<br />Don't let this happen, unless you want to face biological and chimical weapons that terrorists will get using these nation's support.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

wrongly posted ,see 2 post further...

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[jc011]

the US seem to already be threaten some countries, i heard that 3 united nations planes whisked by workers in afghanistan and Iraq claims that 2 US planes crashed into civilian homes, what the hell is going on? war looks as if its about to start, and its going to happen sooner or later,

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

from morten Blaabjerg:

I hope he does. Doesn't he have to send in some kind of special squads to be confident, that he gets the people responsible? I think the fatal flaw of the gulf war was US hesitation to bring Saddam Husseins rule to an end. They could have landed troops in Baghdad, without much opposition, I think. And much grief would've been brought to an end. I have iraqi friends who'd probably agree. I didn't really see the point in a large scale airstrike, without the follow-up. And I surely hope that Bush doesn't repeat his fathers mistake. Saddam might very well be responsible for the present terror attacks on the US.

On a second point : I think there's a huge difference between getting to the people responsible, and the "just nuke all the camel f***ers, they're all the same" reaction. -They're not. I have friends who had to flee their native country, because they were working for political parties of the opposition, and Saddams secret police was out for them. I think this is true for many of the arab-americans living in the US, too. They have had to flee their country in order to live in freedom. Most moslems are as terrified by these bombings as everyone else. -So please don't go out making prejudicial errors.

If anyone of you saw Arafats reaction for one, even though his advisor kept whispering in his ear, you could see that he was thoroughly and profoundly shocked. Whatever Arafats past, he and other arab leaders show the sympathy and shock in the same way as europeans do. What this is about, is solving the problems in the middle east on some sort of permanent basis, so we doesn't have to fear for something like this happening again. <br />And IMO, the US and Nato HAVE to do this with ground troops on some level. One doesn't solve problems with airstrikes.<br /><hr></blockquote>

I tottaly agree on that.I'm no warmonger ,rather a pacifist.But our werstern civilization is truly threatend by these terrorist and things have gotten so far now that we have to react.But our enemies are not nations ,but individuals.That is a mistake the U.S mad a lot of times.They've bombed a lot of nations ,but they never took the leaders.Instead they leave the bombed nations carreless behind.So effectively nothing has changed in a popssitive way.instead ,a lot of their civilians hate America and can easely be propagandated.

That is why we have this problem today.there are a lot of dangerous people in this world and the are all sticking their last penny's in nuclear weapons.

We all did those civilians in those poor bombed nations wrong.And now they hate us ,not their leader.But although i regret the past ,these country's are getting very dangerous to us ,and we have to act ,BUT WE HAVE TO ACT WITH CAUTION.

Leaders like Saddam and Bin laden can only be taken by ground troops.Preferably Special ground troops working incognito ,withought backing and knowledge of any nato country.That would be playing the game their way.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by TheDuckOfFlanders:<br /><strong>from morten Blaabjerg:

But our enemies are not nations ,but individuals.That is a mistake the U.S mad a lot of times.They've bombed a lot of nations ,but they never took the leaders.Instead they leave the bombed nations carreless behind.So effectively nothig has changed</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is totally untrue. Almost all terror organizations are being supplied and funded by countries. I'm not sure what countries suppor Bin-Ladden (I think Iraq and Afghanistan) but I can tell you that all terror orgenizations working against Israel are supported by radical muslim countries getting their money from oil.<br />Hizballah - Syria and Iran<br />Islamic Jihad - Iran<br />Hamas - Iraq, Iran

All of them are also supported by the "Muslim brothers" orgenization, that works mainly among American and European muslims.

I say, check where American money is going, and don't let it go to terror organizations and terror supporting countries.<br />Also, you must crush all countries that supported this mass murder, or they'll continue and others will join in too.<br />The US must make a quick, Land-Air (sea?) attack, destroy all military, and withdraw before gurrila war will start.<br />Hit them fast, hit them hard <img src="graemlins/hammer.gif" border="0" alt="[Hammer]" />

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[TheDuckOfFlanders]

From G-MAN:

This is totally untrue. Almost all terror organizations are being supplied and funded by countries. I'm not sure what countries suppor Bin-Ladden (I think Iraq and Afghanistan) but I can tell you that all terror orgenizations working against Israel are supported by radical muslim countries getting their money from oil.<br />Hizballah - Syria and Iran<br />Islamic Jihad - Iran<br />Hamas - Iraq, Iran <hr></blockquote>

I mentioned Terrorist's AND political leaders.<br />I dont like the leadership much of iran (although it's inproving) ,and i dont like the Taliban (who are alleged to give suport to bin laden.So these leaders are the enemies too ,but not the civilians of that nations.That is what i ment.<br />When America bombed Iraq ,they only killed civilians ,tottaly no leaders.Y've they had gotten Sadam ,then i would have been happy!<br />But they didn't ,and hes getting more of a threat every day.

by the way ,the Jihad is not an organization ,but a belief. (and one i don't like)

Don't mis- interpretate my words please.<br />no offense

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[G-Man]

No offense?!? Are you crazy? And let these goverments to continue to fund terrorism? The US has an army, you know, and if you won't use it now then I guess you'll never use it. The US should take over Iraq, capture Saddam, and start a democracy there. And that can only be achived by full-scale ground-air-sea attack on the country. Aircrafts and naval cruise missiles will hit military targets, while ground units will destroy the Iraqi army, and insure no civilians are getting hurt.<br />And the Islamic Jihad is a movment. Jihad is arabic for "holly war". So the Islamic Jihad is "the holly war of Islam". Jihad was once any war between Muslims to non-muslims, but today it's a religious justification to terror acts against christian/jewish/budhist countries.<br />Islamic countries that support this kind of war (and a lot of them do) must understand once and for all that terror will not be accepted by civilization.<br />Crush them before it's too late and they get biological and chimical weapons that will make the current terror attack look like children's play. Terror is no longer a form of small scale resistanse. Today the entire world knows that terror just as dangerous as regular forms of war<br />The free, democratic world must face terror, and we must win!<br />The US goverment has no choice but to attack terror. If you won't, this will happen again and will get worse every time.<br />The American retaliation must be way over-proportion. You can't allow yourself to become another middle east, where no side is using enough force to win, and no side is afraid enough of the other side to stop fighting. You have no idea how many times I wished Israel would get into Gaza after the first suicide bomber. If we would do that, the Palestinians would understand they have no chance to commit a successful uprising, instead of 800 people killed we would have 150 people killed, and the peace talks would be almost over by now.<br />Don't let this happen to you. Don't think there's any justification to the attack on you. Destroy anyone that attacked you, and if you can, also people you know will hurt you in the future.<br />Terror orgenizations don't work in outter space. They must work somewhere, and that country should fight terror or cease being. <img src="graemlins/reddevil.gif" border="0" alt="[Red Devil]" />

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Originaly posted buy g-man:

No offense?!? Are you crazy? <hr></blockquote>

Uhhm ,these words were ment to say that i had an other oppinion ,but that you didn't had to take my words as an offence.<br />like i said:

Don't mis- interpretate my words please. <hr></blockquote>

anyway ,in reply to this:

? And let these goverments to continue to fund terrorism? The US has an army, you know, and if you won't use it now then I guess you'll never use it. The US should take over Iraq, capture Saddam, and start a democracy there. And that can only be achived by full-scale ground-air-sea attack on the country. Aircrafts and naval cruise missiles will hit military targets, while ground units will destroy the Iraqi army, and insure no civilians are getting hurt.<br /> <hr></blockquote>

I agree that we have to try to pu a democracy in Iraq.The rest i think is a load of .... . (i try to be good here)<br />anyway ,that's youre oppinion ,and i respect that.

And the Islamic Jihad is a movment. Jihad is arabic for "holly war". So the Islamic Jihad is "the holly war of Islam". Jihad was once any war between Muslims to non-muslims, but today it's a religious justification to terror acts against christian/jewish/budhist countries.<br /><hr></blockquote>

I agree to some extent.just to say that it is no ORGANIZATION ,like you stated a few post's ago ,in these words:

This is totally untrue. Almost all terror organizations are being supplied and funded by countries. I'm not sure what countries suppor Bin-Ladden (I think Iraq and Afghanistan) but I can tell you that all terror orgenizations working against Israel are supported by radical muslim countries getting their money from oil.<br />Hizballah - Syria and Iran<br />Islamic Jihad - Iran<br />Hamas - Iraq, Iran<hr></blockquote>

And for the rest:

Crush them before it's too late and they get biological and chimical weapons that will make the current terror attack look like children's play. Terror is no longer a form of small scale resistanse. Today the entire world knows that terror just as dangerous as regular forms of war<br />The free, democratic world must face terror, and we must win! The US goverment has no choice but to attack terror. If you won't, this will happen again and will get worse every time.<hr></blockquote>

I agree that we have powerfull enemy's now that must be stoped before they can hurt us more.

But how to do that?

The American retaliation must be way over-proportion. You can't allow yourself to become another middle east, where no side is using enough force to win, and no side is afraid enough of the other side to stop fighting. You have no idea how many times I wished Israel would get into Gaza after the first suicide bomber. If we would do that, the Palestinians would understand they have no chance to commit a successful uprising, instead of 800 people killed we would have 150 people killed, and the peace talks would be almost over by now.<br />Don't let this happen to you. Don't think there's any justification to the attack on you. Destroy anyone that attacked you, and if you can, also people you know will hurt you in the future.<br />Terror orgenizations don't work in outter space. They must work somewhere, and that country should fight terror or cease being. <hr></blockquote>

This is totaly not the way to go.<br />Although i wont give a whole lecture here.<br />We have to calm down and find a CONSTRUCTIVE solution to our problem.

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[Morten Blaabjerg]

Just to correct you guys a little bit on a factual point. "Islamic Jihad" IS an arabic organization; a sub-division of the various right-wing palestinian groups. They say themselves, that they operate primarily within the borders of Israel, and have recently denied any responsibility for the events in the US.

 

[Hell-Raiser]

IF they get into a ground war with terrorism its gonna look like vietnam Cuze the terrorist Fight A Jihad --> A holy war, they would do anything to do as much damage to (in there eyes) the devil --> USA

For them it is a honor to die for the islam and taking as many enemys with them<br />they think the world should be islam, and who isn't much be killed

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by TheDuckOfFlanders:<br /><strong>

We have to calm down and find a CONSTRUCTIVE solution to our problem.

[ September 13, 2001: Message edited by: TheDuckOfFlanders ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think either I mis-understood you again or you have no idea on what's going on.<br />A constructive solution to the problem? What solution can there be? The man wants Islam to be the only religion, no matter what it takes. If you won't convert your religion, he'll try to kill you. How can you find a solution other then fight back? It's either the US as a free country or Bin Laden, and I think we all want the US to win. Don't you? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">