Do you think North Korea qualifies as communist?

Do you consider North Korea communist?

  • Yes, I do.

    Votes: 53 41.1%
  • No, I don't.

    Votes: 59 45.7%
  • I don't know / I don't care

    Votes: 17 13.2%

  • Total voters
    129
Whomp said:
I saw that today. :(

You don't need to understand russian to understand these pictures..

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/
I first saw it quite a while ago. It's classic North Korean technique (I'm not going to post the video here at hpresent, as it's fairly disturbing).
 
So Pasi, considering CNN, the BBC, the New York Times, and the London Times are all unacceptable sources, what are some acceptable sources?

I mean, give the media a break. Not everyone can match the journalistic integrity of soviet-empire.com.
 
WillJ said:
So Pasi, considering CNN, the BBC, the New York Times, and the London Times are all unacceptable sources, what are some acceptable sources?

I mean, give the media a break. Not everyone can match the journalistic integrity and genious of soviet-empire.com.
I dunno;
The DPRK practically guarantees the people genuine political freedom and rights according to the fundamental requirement of the Juche idea for enhancing man's independence and creativity in every way.

In the DPRK the rights and duties of citizens are based on the collectivist principle, 'One for all and all for one.'

The Socialist Constitution of the DPRK specifies that the state effectively guarantees all the conditions for the democratic rights and liberties as well as the material and cultural well-being of the citizens.

All the citizens who have reached 17 years of age have the right to elect and to be elected, irrespective of sex, race, occupation, length of residence, property status, education, party affiliation, political views and religion. They also have freedom of speech, the press, assembly, demonstration and association, freedom of religious beliefs and they are entitled to submit complaints and petitions.

The workers, peasants and other working people, as masters of power, participate in state administration and freely engage in socio-political activities in political parties and public organizations. The working people have the right to work and rest, the right to education and free medical care and freedom of scientific, literary and artistic pursuits. Women are accorded equal social status and rights with men. The state affords special privilege to mothers and children.

Marriage and the family are protected by the state. The working people are guaranteed inviolability of the person and the home and privacy of correspondence. The rights and freedom of citizens steadily increase with the consolidation and development of the socialist system.
Sounds like someone's done their research [pimp]
 
@nonconformist: Wow, what a great country. I mean, they still have "peasants" and everything! Ah, nostalgia.
 
Kim Sung Il wetdreamer said:
All this rubbish we hear from western people about Korea is not to be listened to, it is insubstantial bullfeathers!
They have no knowledge about Korea, its culture, its morals and ethics and its law system! They must shut their mouth and go away! They must stop bothering North Korea, it is none of their concern! They should sit in their filthy western ******** and leave Korea alone!
The dear leader Kim Jong Il knows what is right and what is wrong for Korean people, so get your filthy hands away from Korea, you vile westerners!
I rest my case.

EDIT:
The Americans are devils !
They destroy peace and freedom.

They are not human. They are murders and satanists.
They are rassists and capitalists.

They murded millions of Indians in their country.
They murded millions in Germany.
They murded woman and children in Vietnam and Korea.

This nation is biggest terrorist on this world !


Long lives our father, his excellency Kim Il Sung, and his excellency Kim Jong Il. With songun politics, Korea will stay free and socialism will excist in the future !

Long lives Juche, the book of humanity, the book of freedom and democracy.
 
capitalists_stupid.jpg
 
Great now this thread has degenerated into spam, trolling, and flaming. Loverrrrly
 
nonconformist said:
Standard North Korean execution; tieing the victim to a post, with rope around the head/eyes, chest, and knees, in fromt of a readily dug grave.
Then, a group of three riflemen,. from a distance of two metres, fire at each of the ropes, head, chest, and knee, each volley cutting the nextg rope, until the corpse falls into the grave and the grave filled.
Such inefficiency... :shake:

How many bullets would such an execution waste? Why not just set the guard dogs on him? Save on dog chow at the same time. :D

Just a little ghoulish humor there. :joke:
 
Problem is that dogs don't always finish the job. I simply reconmend the PRC (People's Republic of China) way that is put a bullet in the back of the head of the victim.

Even greater effecientcy!
 
Nah, resources and labor still had to be spent into manufacturing that bullet.

With the food supply condition in NK the way it is I'm sure their guard dogs WILL finish the job. Or start eating while the victim is still alive. :ack:
 
Just to clarify, my sick jokes do not in any way mean I agree with the North Koreans executing failed escapees....
 
Whomp that was some good article. Thanks!
 
luiz said:
Edit: Just to make another unrelated comment without the need of another post. What scares me the most about communism supporters is that once they acknowledged the colossal failure that their dream was, they started blaming human nature and instead of adapting their ideology to human nature, they want to adapt human nature to it. They believe so blindly and against all evidence that their religion (ops, ideology) is right that they would rather change what make us human than change their dogma.

Funny you should mention that, as it is sort of my life's work to restructure Communist ideology to suit human nature instead of the other way around.

I have actually started to write a book about it (sort of a Neo-Communist Manifesto). It covers topics such as: direct democracy on a large scale, economic democracy, creating workers' equality while maintaining economic growth, and how to protect the rights of the individual while still following the "will of the people."

If you would like to discuss this further, I would be more than happy to start a new thread on the subject.
 
Dann said:
Nah, resources and labor still had to be spent into manufacturing that bullet.

With the food supply condition in NK the way it is I'm sure their guard dogs WILL finish the job. Or start eating while the victim is still alive. :ack:

Ah yes i forgot about the famine:p :mischief:
 
Babbler said:
Care to share?
Its this one: (posted on previous page)
Whomp said:
Can I call it a family run totalitarian government?


I saw that today. :(

You don't need to understand russian to understand these pictures..

http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/

Whomp where did you find this site? I love all of his travels!!! :D
 
Gelion said:
Its this one: (posted on previous page)


Whomp where did you find this site? I love all of his travels!!! :D
Originally it was another site that was referenced by a CFC'er. The person originally posted those pictures with an english translation but "red x'd" them since they weren't his pictures so he referenced this guys site. I will try and see if there was an english translation.

XPost--Thanks Till.
 
Well Till already provided a link to the English translation. The only thing I could do is repost it here for easier access:

The autor is Artemii Lebedev, one of the leading web-designers in Russia. He recently went on a trip to DPRK. I'll translate his comments briefly. (by koutch)
Spoiler Page1 :

On your arrival at the airport you need to leave your cellphone, no roaming service is avaliable but if you select an operator manually you get PRK 03 although he never saw a single person with a cell-phone. Laptops are allowed it seems that north koreans are not aware of cards that can make your laptop to work like a cellphone.

The only house where a foreigner will be ever allowed on his visit. It's a model-house of a model-farmworker of a model-collective farm. There is even something that looks like a computer made of components that are not even plugged together. Internet does not exist, only intranet is avalaible.

On your arrival you will be assigned to a guide and a driver. That will constantly follow you. You can't leave the hotel on your own. The daily program consists of 2-3 visits to a landmark. In the hotel you can watch BBC,NTV (russian chan),and a couple of chinese channels, so you can't really complain about freedom of speech. The food is good, and you can't complain about that either. In a park he saw elder women picking up herbs, the guide said that it was for the rabbits, although it was clear that it was the kind of herb that the "owners of the rabbits" could eat.

Kiosk that sells foreign product to tourists, as in snickers chinese sprite and lays from 2001. You have to chose your product pay at a sepate booth get a checkstub and give it to the merchant to get your purchase.

Kiosk for locals, most of the time they sell lemonade, forigers are given a plastic cup, locals get porcelain mugs, that are washed in a bucket of water after use.
Sometimes you see people selling some kind of a vegetable, that was taken next to a fruits and veggies store, they immediatly closed the door as they saw a tourist.

North Koreans are always amazed when they see a white man.

The plaster statues are clean and not broken apart. North Korea is a perfect reproduction of the year 1950.
They still havent figured out how to make flat glass withtout bubbles, the only exception are the windows in the hotel or large vitrines.

Oil is almost inexistant, so most of the labor is manual.


Water seems not to be avaliable everywhere when you leave the capital. A woman is washing her clothes in the river.

Life in a village

When building in a city they tend to block the old houses with tall bulidings , if that is not possible they put a concrete fence so you would only see the roof.
As soon as you try to take a picture different from the magazine "Korea" the guide will say: "why are you taking a picture" "it's forbidden here"

Koreans are not shy when it comes to basic needs, the guide forbid to take pictures of men taking a piss on the middle of the road, but there was no problem when it happened in the capital next to to a monument (look at the guy on the steps)

The big monument, (they cut off the electricity at 11)

The city at night is scary, there is no light on the streets and people use white lights and no curtains.

during the day the elevator didn't work for 15 mins

View from the monument, besides the pretty view you can also see the dead birds.

Reality of the NK, a forigner will not see this generally.

The whole Pyongyang is like this, when he asked the guide about the old houses the guide said that old people didn't want to move out in the new ones and like it that way

The mausoleum

You have to button up your shirt and look serious, and leave eveything except your sunglasses at the entrance, you will have to go trough an x-ray scanner (which no one tells you about), and for some reason there is a wi-fi router. The statue is white, and the light on top is blue and on the bottom is red. And its called a "visit" because the Great Leader is still "alive"

Next to the statue wearing an ironic t-shirt ( Hysteria of the USSR), the guide didn't know russian well, and when was asked an unplesant question didn't know russian at all. End of part 1 , next part "the defence".

Source: http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-1/


Spoiler Page2 :

the defence

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About 10% of the population serves in the military, its impossible not to cross soldiers.

They do everything, taking care of the cattle, picking up wood, and ride 40 persons in a truck


As a form of entertainement both Koreas will take you to a visit to the border. One mystery remains, how comme under capitalism the roads are good and under communism sh*tty.
Sand is where NK is.

The road is prepared for an invasion, the big cubes can be pushed on the road to trap the enemy tanks.

Just in case they put those things up on every road in the radius of 50km from the border, they are often decorated.

They also have those in the mountains.

A NK beach, electrified barbed-wire so the NK citiziens wouln't swim away, of couse you're not allowed to take that picture.

NK love to show off military trophees, like the american spy ship Pueblo.

Pieces of US aicraft in a museum, that are gathered up with a lot of love.

NK defends itself not only from imperialist agressors, every neiborhood is defended. Once by a coincidence, he took a picture of that buliding with AC on every window. Of couse he was told that he's not allowd to take the picture. Apperently this is not an ordinary house, maybe scientists live there.
On may 1st, the tourists got to see a concert and taekwondo students so everyone would know that the new replacement is growing up.
Next , visual culture.
source:
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-2/


Spoiler Page3 :

The only ads in NK, an advertisment for a car (made in cooperation with the South) that you will only see in the capital, there are 3 different banners/models.

A composition showing the heroism of the workers, its a rather unique piece since the military is on the 2nd plan.
Banners with Kim Il Song , who calls up people for heroic acts. For some reason commarade Kim is young.
You can often see pictures of Kim Jon Suk (wife of Kim Il Song) Like his composition is called "Comarade Kim Jon Suk is saving Kim Il Song), but Kim Il Song is shown even more often

Bronze is often used in the monument, here you can see the worker, the farmworker and the intellectual.

One of the 2 compositions next to Kim Il Song monument.

In every place you will have a Pole with a citation of the great leader.

LOL

Fancy garbage cans in parks.

Hello ( PREVED)
NK like to customize their number ,as you can see with the 40

Every citizen has a pin of Kim Il Song, except for little children, waiters (the pin is probably hidden by work clothes), and Kim Il Song himself
You cannot by this pin.

This means, shoe repairs upstairs.

That means that a food joint is near, by the way even in China they draw a fork.

You can see this on the doors, the X means entrance forbidden, and the thingy taht looks like a target means enter here.

In a model pioneer palace, a concert is shown, at the end a picture of Kim Jong Il is shown, the forigners are in extasy.

Source: http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-3/
Next up we have roads and transporation


Spoiler Page4and5 :

Ok, so we carry on.

Entrances to the subways look somewhat shabby.

Inside you have the tourniquets that arrive you to the knee, contrary to chinese Koreans are of short stature. The sign reads: Kim Jong IL - the Sun of 21st century!

The escalator is very long, and the lighting is original.

Trains are made of 4 wagons, the doors are opened by hand and closed automatically.

It seems that the goal of the NK architects was to make stations more impressive that Moscow's metro.

The particularity of the cities is the lack of cars. Everyone is walking, sometimes they take packed public transportatins made of tramways, trolleys and even 2 storie buses. The bicycles are rare and expensive.
The pedestrian zebra is original.

In Pyongyang there is a lot of underground passages for crossing the street, everyone respects the rules, if you cross the street where you're not supposed to you get a fine, even if the road usually looks like this.

Traffic signs warn you of other traffic signs.

The drivers never stop in front of pedestrians, they constantly honk. The guide coulnt not explain the lack of reflex of the pedetrians when they hear a car. In the countryside people walk wherever they want, like there is no cars at all.
The drivers on the other hand never chek their mirrors or look back. For some reason the gas stations are covered up and passangers must exit the car before the driver goes to the gas station.

Drive safe!

Line at the bus stop, people who take the bus are those who have to walk more than 30 mins toget home
You can't move freely in NK, you need authorisations, and you have check-points everywhere. When the car crossed teh check point, the driver flashed the lights, perhaps its a meaning that a forigner is on board.

Traffic lights exist but they dont work.
How cars in NK look like.
The sign is not lying

A common sight, broken down gas-fueled truck, they drive slow and make a lot of smoke. You're not supposed to take that picture.

Sometimes you see japanese or german cars. Koreans love Mercedes Benz, which they only know as Benz. Benz - is the favorite car of NK leaders. In Kim Il song mausoleum , his SEL 500 is parked forever on some porcelain supports. Maybe the love for benz will explain the following pictures

Benz!

Benz!


Bad photoshop in Korea magazine.

The other side


Fresh news.

Portait of Father and Son (to be found in every home)

Kim Il Song really loved girls.

He build them playgrounds.

And put a room full of old consoles in the model pioneer palace (in which the escalator was turned on when the forigners arrived)


Village where Kim Il Song, spend a night during his youth.


And thats another village, but those houses don't exist in NK, the driver took a wrong turn.

Sometimes you get to see a martian landscape

Beaches of NK

Sign of service

Culture house of a model collective farm

Another culture house

Somewhere

The hotel, construction was abandoned in 1991, its not recomended to take pictures of it when you're close.

That's ok we'll admire it from far.

Koreans have the habit to walk with their hands behind their back, men rarely wear light and flashy colors. Thats an excusion to the cemetary of the revolutionaries
Apartment buildings are modest too.

A rare view of Pyongyang.

5.1 means May 1st, they don't do big celebrations.

All the forigners got to visit the main park, locals were denied admission

Those who were smarter didn't go to the park and instead relaxed by the river.

End of the story I hope you all liked it.

Source:
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-4/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/choson-5/


The translation is not always word to word, but it provides the most important points in any case....

Actually I meant the guy is very interesting with his own "photograph" humour and a few interesting stories to tell. I read most of his page... :thumbsup: there
 
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