DoC Domination Challenge

[youtien]

3000 BC scenario, m/n.

Krakow is a very good capital -- wheat, deer, copper, iron, cow, and a lot of rivers, only 2 peaks unusable, you just have to raze Berlin and Wien.

I Settled Riga on cow as 2nd city, teched drama-paper-education-philosophy-banking(bulb)-economics-constistution-liberalism-bulb democracy...... bought printing press from China and I founded Protestantism. My first GP is an engineer and it built Apostolic Palace.

You have to fight as Polish. Conquered Kiev with starting force, then kill Viking - the silver from Oslo is SO IMPORTANT, maybe your only luxury resource in 300 years (with luck you can buy wine from French, and other luxuries from Asians), without it you have to tech drama and keep 20% culture rate, or keep a lot units for happiness, but I chose Theocracy+bureaucracy. Viking collapsed but I left Nidaros untouched until endgame, crappy spot although it has fur.

The second target was Russia, I razed Sankt-Peterburg and made peace. You have to harass and weaken them or they'll get an army against you. I razed it twice (and they rebuilt it twice after peace).

The third target was Holy Rome - when they were fighting against French. I razed Wien and Brandenburg, French conquered Frankfurt once but German retook it. Barbarrossa capitulated after I razed Brendenburg. This vassal helped my happiness a bit.

After that, Byzantine. Byz is scripted to collapse in 1400. I forgot to have a knight camping nearby, so I captured Constantinople from Turks. Also got Singidunum, Dyrrachion(Great Lighthouse), Athens(Temple of Artemis + Great Library) and Sparta(Great Cothon).

I failed UHV #1 due to plague. Russia DoWed on me after I completed #2 and #3, this time I whacked them with cavalry and riflemen, and they capitulated after I captured Sankt-Peterburg and Moscow, I returned both cities to them. Russia really helps with domination victory!

My 3rd vassal was Turkey, After I razed Ankara and captured Trabzon. They also helped. 4th vassal was Mongolia, after I captured Samarkand. In the endgame I fought Mughals and English as well, with infantry.

I could win this game earlier if I stopped research and built settlers earlier. French was superpower this game and they controlled Rome, I didn't fight them once, but I got Rome via congress in 18th century. Polish domination is really some challenge(but not too hard) and fun.

 

[youtien]

By the way, I skipped winged hussar, because I researched rifling earlier than military tradition - I always steal military tradition from others. If I went for UHV I might bulb it with liberalism, but in domination game, you shouldn't expand past 12 cities until you got your way to deal with stability problem.

 

[blizzrd]

Monarch/Normal
Date: 1680AD
Score: 14135

First two cities outside of Britain were in South Africa. Researched Meditation for Christian Monasteries then Engineering for Notre Dame then straight to Astronomy. Razed Celtic Dublin and resettled it to get the extra buildings. Stole Calendar from France early also, which was helped by a neat event on Turn 2. After settling Edinburgh, I used a Longbow and a Galley to visit Vikings and stole 3 workers from them who were building a road around the Gulf of Bothnia. Two of these returned to England and the other walked all the way across Siberia to make contact with the Far East. Eventually I traded for some of Aesthetics-Literature etc from Asian civs.

France took Barcelona from Spain early but then got bogged down in a war with Italy. Spain never recovered and never got to Astronomy. After Portugal spawn, France peace-vassalised to me and then immediately afterwards Portugal did too. At the Reformation, Spain declared war on me and my vassals which ended badly for it shortly thereafter. I then declared war on Moors and Portugal took Cordoba for a clean sweep of Iberia.

Aztecs and Inca both vassalised without me having to take any of their cities, just killed a few troops. Aztecs lost their capital to barbarians shortly afterwards, but this actually helped them to get a better spread of cities across Mexico.

From there it was mostly about settling cities under Resettlement and getting Christianity into all of them ASAP for Temples and Monasteries. A Great Engineer rushed the Trading Company in 1480AD and I declared war on India for the extra drafted troops, who I upgraded to Redcoats in the early 1500s in time to take on the Mughals. Never used Absolutism, I don't see the point for a Domination game.

Once I had researched all of the military techs I turned up the culture slider and kept pumping out settlers. Only right at the very end did I settle outside of Historical area when I dropped into South America for a couple of cities in Spanish/Portuguese historical area.

Versailles triggered a Golden Age about 12 turns before the end, a pair of Great People provided another Golden Age which was unfinished at the conclusion of this game. Stability was Solid for almost entire game, with just 2 turns of Stable right at the end.

 

[Barbuesque]

That's just downright impressive; I did realize in my game that Cristo Redemptor isn't needed at all for a british domination, and if didn't go for the UHV I could easily have shaved off 30 years or so, but that you got to both astronomy and economics by 1480, then rifling a few turns later... it's a world of difference between your game and mine. Not sure what I am doing wrong as I got roughly the same cities.

 

[blizzrd]

100% science until Rifling/Military Tradition are learnt.

Hold off on learning Divine Right as soon as Mali spawns, Pagan temples are cheap to whip/build and give free hammers once Christianity spreads and they convert to Catholic Temples.

Prioritise Libraries/Monasteries/Observatories/Universities.

Build enough workers to chop forests and improve terrain in all parts of your empire as soon as you settle new lands.

Attach all GGs to Galleons for extra movement.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

^ Agree with all except the last part, LOL.

It's better to Settle all your GGs (3 is enough) in your Ironworks city - for me it's Edinburgh on Iron.

 

[blizzrd]

Why? I didn't build a single land-based attacking military unit all game. I built a few Caravels and Galleons was all and some defensive units. I didn't even have the Ironworks at the time I won Domination.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Why? I didn't build a single land-based attacking military unit all game. I built a few Caravels and Galleons was all and some defensive units. I didn't even have the Ironworks at the time I won Domination.

I mean the city with the highest . The city you plan from early game to eventually build the Ironworks in.

I think you need to build some Crossbows against Impis. And Crossbows are cheap and upgrade to Redcoats.

 

[blizzrd]

What a complete waste of GG, on some promotions for the city building Crossbows.

A crossbow can defeat Impi without promotions and a Barracks + Vassalage give 5XP which is more than enough experience for defensive units to start with.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

What a complete waste of GG, on some promotions for the city building Crossbows.

A crossbow can defeat Impi without promotions and a Barracks + Vassalage give 5XP which is more than enough experience for defensive units to start with.

I can attest to this.
My opening England strat pretty much involves an early South Africa rush as well with one of the starting Longbows.
Crossbows have more utility, but just one Longbow does quite nicely as well.
By 1500 or so, that one little guy can rack up upwards of 30-35+ XP all by himself.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

I said you build Crossbows. I didn't say you build them after getting GGs. GGs are obtained long after Crossbows (usually 2 with Trading Company) and settled for Galleons production. 2 GGs = 4XP. Kill some Galleys/Tiremes and voila, 5XP = 2 Promotions.

It's not hard to build a large number of Galleons. And what if your GG Galleons die to Privateers? Now that would be a waste.

 

[blizzrd]

You don't seem to be following and there is no logic to your posts.

Please keep this thread for Domination DoC discussion.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

You don't seem to be following and there is no logic to your posts.

Please keep this thread for Domination DoC discussion.

Thank you. I admit I know nothing of logic.

 

[youtien]

Question: how many tiles are there? how many tiles do we have to have(25%)? Would settler spam + 100% culture slider be possible?

 

[Barbuesque]

Question: how many tiles are there? how many tiles do we have to have(25%)? Would settler spam + 100% culture slider be possible?

I think so especially if you vassalize incas and aztecs, for some emergency +stability in case (by ceding). Britain is just special.

 

[Barbuesque]

100% science until Rifling/Military Tradition are learnt.

Hold off on learning Divine Right as soon as Mali spawns, Pagan temples are cheap to whip/build and give free hammers once Christianity spreads and they convert to Catholic Temples.

Prioritise Libraries/Monasteries/Observatories/Universities.

Build enough workers to chop forests and improve terrain in all parts of your empire as soon as you settle new lands.

Attach all GGs to Galleons for extra movement.

Yeah I did all that, except I realize researching meditation, of all techs, is a great one to research first as you can then trade it around for money for very little investment, plus getting to build monasteries earlier, a very decent building with the + 2 hammers.

I guess my micro needs to improve on tile improvements and GP generation and use.

 

[Jusos2108]

Just for the fun of it, I did China with the mad rush strategy and massive culture bombing. I sacrified teching early so the score isn't that good, I also worked a lot of GAs in Louyang, which slowed early teching as well. Iirc Louyang spawned four GAs and Aomen one.

I hadn't played DoC in a while, so this wasn't optimal performance. I also got nothing from the early huts around the world, except about 90 gold.


The World in 1000, 1500 and 1540:

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Other pics:

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[Tomorrow's Dawn]

Just for the fun of it, I did China with the mad rush strategy and massive culture bombing. I sacrified teching early so the score isn't that good, I also worked a lot of GAs in Louyang, which slowed early teching as well. Iirc Louyang spawned four GAs and Aomen one.

I hadn't played DoC in a while, so this wasn't optimal performance. I also got nothing from the early huts around the world, except about 90 gold.


The World in 1000, 1500 and 1540:

Spoiler :

Other pics:

Spoiler :

At this rate, we're going to have 1400 AD China Domination wins.

 

[Barbuesque]

At this rate, we're going to have 1400 AD China Domination wins.

The race is on!

I am not that good at playing China, the starts used above are crapshoots when I try them, but I'll try with a different civ, maybe Greece or Phoenicia.

 

[blizzrd]

Yeah I did all that, except I realize researching meditation, of all techs, is a great one to research first as you can then trade it around for money for very little investment, plus getting to build monasteries earlier, a very decent building with the + 2 hammers.

I guess my micro needs to improve on tile improvements and GP generation and use.

Forgot to mention, I reject Agrarianism from the outset, revolting back to Tribalism for the extra trade routes and cottage growth.