Does this seem right to you?

[samildanach]

@samildanach, not if the conveyer belt stops pounding the British Isles with warm air. If that happens, England will be like Sweden... and Scotland like Northern Russia

Yeah. I actually saw a documentary about it. They called it the jet stream (if thats the same thing ) and they said it had already moved North and we will be getting more storms.

I think we should start a land redistribution project where we move the top of Britain to the south a truck load at a time. We can move Britain towards the equator doing this all the time. If the weather sucks at the equator we can always move back a bit. We have the benefits of not being land locked so we can just move around if we don't like the weather.

Anybody who doesn't like it will get a knuckle sandwich from the Royal Navy.

 

[phoenix_night]

Even 1.4C is more than temperatures are thought to have changed since the dawn of humanity

Is this really true?

 

[Immortal]

what about the ice age?

 

[stormbind]

When do we count the dawn of humanity? I doubt neanderthals count.

Dunno if 1.4C referrs to the global ambient temperature, or specific locations.

 

[AVN]

When do we count the dawn of humanity? I doubt neanderthals count.

Dunno if 1.4C referrs to the global ambient temperature, or specific locations.

I guess it's the global ambient temperature because the temperature rise in Africa was much higher.

 

[JohnRM]

But remember, corporate profits are more important than this.

You know it...lol

 

[JohnRM]

The problem is that by 2099 there won't be enough fossil fuels to produce that kind of green house gas in order to fulfill that forecast.

 

[Colonel]

I am betting we survive but all animals die out and we do what they did in the Jetsons to survive. People in the next few centries will not ever see the ground, or we will go with the Matrix soultion, we will burrow under ground and have Solor collector above the poultion in the atmosphere collecting energy for us.

 

[newfangle]

Meh, I won't lose sleep over this climate change stuff.

I was tremendously worried about it a few years ago, and then I realized that the only thing we can do is wait for innovative and intelligent people to design more effecient technologies. No amount of government waste (ie, Kyoto) will fix this problem.

 

[Colonel]

dont worry the Worlds going to end in 2012 anyways

 

[Elrohir]

*Radio announcer* "Global warming that causes eternal winter in some places - coming to a movie theater near you!"


Right....There was a movie on this, and it sucked, and was completely unrealistic. The Earth's temperature has increased half a degreen in the past 200 years. And we don't even know if we caused this or whether it's a natural occurance! Without data from past millenia we cannot know whether the Earth naturally experiances fluctuations of this sort every once in awhile or not.

In short - this is nothing to worry about.

 

[Suki]

No they haven't. The last time earth experienced a change in temperature, it was far more gradual. This won't leave time to adapt.

you'll be supprised.

they're allready finding that coral's bleaching temperature is rising.

there are two ways that evoloution works, punctual and gradual. in the former a sudden change reveals a trait that allready exists in the population to now be a large advantage or disadvantage, and then it quickly spreads around the population. the gradual form you have to wait for mutation and recombination to hand you something useful.

like misquetoes and ddt, they started spraying, and there were allready some who were ddt resistant, they survived and very quickly this spread the population. mutation and recombination had allready given them the ddt resistance, and it was a neutral trait, until we started spraying.

 

[Perfection]

No they haven't. The last time earth experienced a change in temperature, it was far more gradual. This won't leave time to adapt.

We'd still have years to adapt, and food storage, we'd pull through. Climate changes could do a lot of damage to humanity but it wouldn't kill us off.

 

[Keirador]

I have no doubt humans would survive. We're more tenacious than cockroaches. Global warming, nuclear war, famine, disease, humans will exist throughout it all. How pleasant that existence will be is entirely up to us.

 

[downwithgravity]

You know what that means...shorts weather, all year round!

 

[Erik Mesoy]

*Radio announcer* "Global warming that causes eternal winter in some places - coming to a movie theater near you!"


Right....There was a movie on this, and it sucked, and was completely unrealistic.

"There are two fantasies about climate change today. The one is The Day After Tomorrow. The other is the Bush Administration's policy."

Without data from past millenia we cannot know whether the Earth naturally experiances fluctuations of this sort every once in awhile or not.

In short - this is nothing to worry about.

Um, we do have that data. Antarctic ice cores. Here's the first link I found when googling.

Here's a recent picture:

We have reason to be worried, it seems. We're on the end of a carbon cycle where CO2 is naturally high, and then we suddenly pump it up further. It's the proverbial drop that makes the glass run over to some, and an effect that will be eventually countered by natural cycles to others. I find this second view unlikely. We're putting the cycle out of whack at a rate it never changes at naturally, let alone fix.

We won't all die from this, so who cares?

What an attitude.

 

[The Last Conformist]

When do we count the dawn of humanity? I doubt neanderthals count.

Well, modern Homo sapiens turned up about 100k years ago. The global average temperature has fluctuated by about 8 degrees in the last 18k years according to Erik's graph.

 

[Scuffer]

But remember, corporate profits are more important than this.

We can either exploit the earth, or live in harmony with it. One involves me sitting in a nice warm office with a cup of tea and CFC, the other involves me wandering around in a loincloth made from wood, hunting seagulls.

People making profits does not necessarily cause pollution, you can make profit without polluting. You can tax those profits and do good things with that money.

 

[The Last Conformist]

A loincloth of wood? Sounds uncomfortable ...

 

[Scuffer]

A loincloth of wood? Sounds uncomfortable ...

The constant pain reminds me of the guilt I feel for destroying Mother Nature's tree to cover my nakedness. Maybe I'll try a grass skirt next time. Tres chic.