Don't call people Scandinavians (split from Very Many Questions 32)

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Lohrenswald,
I have no idea what your selfevident reasons are

But I will never use the word Scandinavian, unless it is in a geographical context.
I am probably too much influenced by what happened in WW2 (and to my family).
German troops in blinded trains were allowed to transit the "neutral" Sweden and attacked neutral Norway.
 
Lohrens, if you are actually trying to impart knowledge to someone, snappy one-liners never help. They just come across as rude.
He spent an entire page not answering the question and circling around calling name. It seems obvious he's not trying to impart knowledge.
The question is only : is he sarcastic about acting offended or genuine ?

Anyway, I intend starting from now to throw a fit and whine if someone call me "European", "Human" or "Terran". Such insensitivity toward my special snowflakeness would hurt my feelings and deserve tears, cries and rushing to pout in my room.
 
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It's true I haven't asked questions, but you've been rude too

No, she hasn't. She was genuinely trying to find out what exactly your problem with the term "Scandinavian" was and you have just been acting like an insufferable jerk about it.

dunno, I feel like I've given all the necessary information

Clearly you haven't since no one (not just Valka) knows what the hell you are talking about.
 
By the way, I thought Finns are Scandinavians too. But it turns out they are not.

I've always gone with Norway, Denmark, & Sweden are the Scandinavians, while Nordic are those three plus Finland & Iceland with the other islands, and sometimes including Greenland & the Baltic States
 
Is this the nordic version of the n-word?

Honestly I have never heard of this problem, I thought the s-word was perfectly acceptable
I wouldn't use the epithet ‘Swede’ lightly.
My grandmother's family was also Swedish. My grandfather immigrated to Canada in the early 1920s, and my grandmother's family came here 10-12 years earlier. None of us have ever had a problem describing our family as having Scandinavian ancestry. It's a lot faster than reciting the family tree.
But the entire family tree makes for an authentic Norse saga.
Anyway, I intend starting from now to throw a fit and whine if someone call me "European", "Human" or "Terran".
C'mon, even those built in the Koprulu Sector are called Terrans.
 
I find this attempt to erase Scandinavians appalling.
 
There is some cultural insensitivity to it

Well, then please educate us ignorant Southeners about the significant cultural differences between Denmark, Sweden and Norway that make the term Scandinavian so useless.
Would you prefer to be called Germanic and be lumped together with the Germans, the Dutch and *gasp* Bavarians ?


I find this attempt to erase Scandinavians appalling.

#whitegenocide :mischief:
 
C'mon, even those built in the Koprulu Sector are called Terrans.
Precisely ! It's a term filled with cultural appropriation, from a bunch of harlots and criminals even !
And Earthan would be an insult to good taste in general, so I would be offended even more.

I'm at least at 6,4 on the Offended scale. That's pretty high.
 
... the hell? :confused:

As others have assumed, and as leifmk said, no one from Norway, Sweden or Denmark has a problem with being called Scandinavian. I have no idea what you're on about Lohr, but I don't even for a second think that you can possibly take offense of being labeled a Scandinavian.

warpus but up a perfectly fine graph to illustrate the different terms, and since someone else asked, Scandinavia can be both the geographical area (which may or may not include Denmark, since it's not on the Scandinavian peninsula) or the people and cultures of the respective countries.

Somethink that can irk, is when referring to Finland or Iceland as also part of Scandinavia, but that is never more than a remark, since their cultures (Finland's language is totally different thought) are just as similar as the other three. The grouping of those five countries (and culturally/geographically also including the islands around us) is referred to as the Nordics.

The Baltics would also like to be included in the Nordics, but alas, I think the Soviet occupation made them just a bit too different and too poor. It might change again in the future though.
 
As I just spent a weekend in one section of one city of one country in Scandinavia, please redirect your questions to me.
 
As I just spent a weekend in one section of one city of one country in Scandinavia, please redirect your questions to me.
And I can field all questions about California! I've been there multiple times. Even had Thanksgiving in San Diego once! :D
 
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Well, if you're genuinely trying to get people to stop doing it, then it's in your best interest to explain why without going all around the houses.
If the term scandinavia was to be useful for anything, it would mean the three countries are in certain aspects the same, but different from the rest of the world, but this isn't the case
Is this culturally insensitive for Norwegians, for your specific region, throughout "Scandinavia"...?
It's in general. It's acting as if something that isn't true is
"British" can also be a cultural identity, not just a nationality.
"british" is also like owned by some people, in that they identify more as british than say english, but this isn't a thing in scandinavia
Well, like I said, it's fraught. Scandinavia has the liberty that no one region of Scandinavia has wielded political and cultural hegemony over the rest, at least not in recent memory, and the term has consequently avoided the same connotations of top-down cultural assimilation.
Sweden has had hegemony for a long time. And my impression is that when foreigners say "scandinavia", they're usually talking about sweden, and not the two other countries (major deviations from this is that I think people predominately think of norwegians when the topic is vikings or minnesota)
I have a co-worker from Norway, and he's never had a problem being called Scandinavian.
internalisation

If it was "self-evident" this squabble never would have started.
I dunno why you objected to something that was perfectly clear
I asked if it was like the annoyance I feel when people say "American" when referring to Canada since it's "the same thing" (no, it really isn't).
I don't remember that being a question but it's a lot like that
In Canada, if someone says they have Scandinavian ancestry, that means someone in their family immigrated from Norway, Sweden, or Denmark.
Yea but it's pretty stupid to not specify the countries as distinct
there's only three of them
Anyway, I intend starting from now to throw a fit and whine if someone call me "European", "Human" or "Terran". Such insensitivity toward my special snowflakeness would hurt my feelings and deserve tears, cries and rushing to pout in my room.
Well there's something to that. If there's something about a norwegian that's discussed that doesn't warrant classifying him as such, the next obvious step is something like human. the term scandinavian isn't relevant for anything
No, she hasn't.
eyes of the beholder
Well, then please educate us ignorant Southeners about the significant cultural differences between Denmark, Sweden and Norway that make the term Scandinavian so useless.
Would you prefer to be called Germanic and be lumped together with the Germans, the Dutch and *gasp* Bavarians ?
See, you're picture here using the term "germannic". Germannic is quite obviously a rather useless term, and I'm saying that scandinavian is as well
******edness in the OP is too much to handle for me right now.
It was never meant to be an OP, so :/

... the hell? :confused:

As others have assumed, and as leifmk said, no one from Norway, Sweden or Denmark has a problem with being called Scandinavian. I have no idea what you're on about Lohr, but I don't even for a second think that you can possibly take offense of being labeled a Scandinavian.
Part of why it isn't offensive is that we've been conditioned to think it isn't

but my point isn't as much that the term is offensive, as that it's stupid
Moderator Action: Not much longer. @Lohrenswald, since you're the individual placing forward a claim ("don't call people Scandinavians"), the onus is on you to clarify why.
which I have done
Moderator Action: "Because I said so" or "it's self-evident" isn't conducive towards a discussion.
neither was it meant to be
Moderator Action: This thread is liable to be locked if the back-and-forth about non-answers continues.
do whatever you want

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The term isn't stupid at all. Geographically and geologically it matches the Scandinavian peninsula, and to some extent also Denmark. Culturally and politically in encompasses the three Scandinavian countries, with very similar cultures, languages and traditions (depending on one's linguistic classification, we're all just using dialects of Scandinavian). It also doesn't hold any kind of historical baggage (like 'British' might), since the times when Denmark and Sweden used to dominate they were referred to as Denmark or Sweden. Even that time when we were all united (until the Danes just had to go kill all those Swedish noblemen!), under a prince and a Norwegian queen regent, we called it the Kalmar Union, and not Scandinavia! And for that matter, the Kalmar Union has nothing bad about it either!!

It's a perfectly fine, relatively accurate, and very popularly used term!

How come you have gotten into the idea that it is offensive? There are no bad blood between any of our countries. Haven't been for ages!
 
Scandinavia is a geographical concept. The Nordics don't really use it to self-describe. Non-nordics do. It's annoying. That seems to be roughly it.

Of course, it's possible the Danes and Norwegians find it a better fit, since they tend to disregard the Finns. The Swedes otoh don't, and then Scandinavian won't fly.
 
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