King_Antonius
Chieftain
Down with the Red coats! Yay independence! lol jk although I do have a weird phobia of British people even though I am part British along with a bunch of other stuff...
Down With The British!
- Thread starter Cheezy the Wiz
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Woohoo! How do you like them apples, Perfidious Albion?
Football - real football - American football - is this here country's national pastime. Baseball's a joke. And cricket isn't all that bad. It's funny to watch Harbhajan Singh get banned all the time, he's like Perfy back in the day.
ComradeDavo
Formerly God
American Football is for those too scared to play rugby
Real men don't need to wear pads over their entire body
Princeps
More bombs than God
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My God was Thomas Jefferson was lazy. He makes pretty extraordinary claims here, and he should provide and extraordinary argument, but no. He didn't even bother to provide any meaningful argument at all. He just say that it's so.
Okay, so why didn't the British respond like this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created to serve us, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Guns, Power and the pursuit to dominate the Americas through force." The British did make such claims, after all, they believed that their king or queen, those spoiled and well-dressed mammals, had the God bestowed right to rule over his or her subjects. The American leadership, apparently, believed that all men had a god given right to Liberty, life and to the pursuit of happiness (and right to own women and negroes, of course). On who's side was God, that celestial dictator?
But anyway, of course the founding fathers didn't believe that these were universal or unalianable rights, Thomas Jefferson just wrote it that way, because it sounds better, to claim that certain rights are universal and unalianable, rather than just scribbling something like: "look, we want the following: blah,blah, blah, and traffs at this level, and anti-dumping legislation, etc".
holy king
Deity
Princeps
More bombs than God
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A bit of founding father envy there, Princeps?
None. Whatsoever. I like the Founding Fathers, most of them. Especially Thomas Paine, who was never an actual Founding Father.
No they didn't.
What would it have changed? The Declaration of Independence was a polemic, and people are going to be angry with the British or happy with them based on the not so oft-quoted stuff that got put later on in the document. "These dudes did this stuff to us, we don't like it, we're pissed, screw them, we want 'em to leave." We just quote it now because it's iconic, but that doesn't mean it was supposed to sway people with a well-reasoned philosophical argument.
BirraImperial
Pura Vida!
Congratulations on your Independence Day to our brothers up north. Have fun, drink up!
You know, I think our friend John Ashcroft would have something to say right about now...
This eagle's place is in the sky.
She's still got a lot of flying to do.
You can see it in her eye,
Though she's cried a bit
For what we've put her though.
She's soared above the lifted lamp
That guards sweet freedom's door.
In the dews, the damps, the watchfires
Of a nation torn by war.
Oh, she's far too young to die
You can see it in her eye
She's not yet begun to fly.
It's time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
This countrys far too young to die.
Weve still got a lot of climbing to do,
And we, we can make it if we try.
Built by toils and struggles
God has led us through.
We've fought for freedom dear
both here and on the distant shore
Paid a price a sacrifice
A price you can't ignore
Oh, we're far too young to die
We can make it if we try
We've not yet begun to fly.
It's time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
This eagle's place is in the sky.
She's still got a lot of flying to do.
You can see it in her eye,
Though she's cried a bit
For what we've put her though.
She's soared above the lifted lamp
That guards sweet freedom's door.
In the dews, the damps, the watchfires
Of a nation torn by war.
Oh, she's far too young to die
You can see it in her eye
She's not yet begun to fly.
It's time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
This countrys far too young to die.
Weve still got a lot of climbing to do,
And we, we can make it if we try.
Built by toils and struggles
God has led us through.
We've fought for freedom dear
both here and on the distant shore
Paid a price a sacrifice
A price you can't ignore
Oh, we're far too young to die
We can make it if we try
We've not yet begun to fly.
It's time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
'Only God, no other kings.'
Let the mighty eagle soar.
skadistic
Caomhanach
Yes actually they did. But I don't really expect you to admit it. I bet you still think the war was to free slaves.....
Trajan12
Deity
Right! Then they were violating those peoples liberty too!
Why can you not just admit that they were hypocrites as well as the founding fathers?
"No taxation without representation! We shall not have our rights infringed on by someone who views them selves as superior by birthright! Down with the Crown!"
"Oh, I'm sorry negra, women and other various minorities, but we believe we are superior to you by birthright, so no cigar."
"This is unfair! States' Rights! Down with the domination by the Northern Agressors! EAAAARGH! LIBERTY!"
" 'Cept none for you slave losers lol"
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
My God was Thomas Jefferson was lazy. He makes pretty extraordinary claims here, and he should provide and extraordinary argument, but no. He didn't even bother to provide any meaningful argument at all. He just say that it's so.
Okay, so why didn't the British respond like this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created to serve us, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Guns, Power and the pursuit to dominate the Americas through force." The British did make such claims, after all, they believed that their king or queen, those spoiled and well-dressed mammals, had the God bestowed right to rule over his or her subjects. The American leadership, apparently, believed that all men had a god given right to Liberty, life and to the pursuit of happiness (and right to own women and negroes, of course). On who's side was God, that celestial dictator?
But anyway, of course the founding fathers didn't believe that these were universal or unalianable rights, Thomas Jefferson just wrote it that way, because it sounds better, to claim that certain rights are universal and unalianable, rather than just scribbling something like: "look, we want the following: blah,blah, blah, and traffs at this level, and anti-dumping legislation, etc".
I
you.
skadistic
Caomhanach
Yes losers
Princeps
More bombs than God
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Trajan12
Deity
Yes losers
Then what in the Hell are you arguing with me for? The entire premise for me getting into this argument was to point out how you using the example of the Confederacy as a people who stood up to oppression is flawed because they were people wo carried out oppression of their own.
Oh, really? So what's happened to Sates' Rights? Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? That's what you quoted from me and said that the South was only trying to achieve that.
And how much were their votes worth?
skadistic
Caomhanach
1/5 but they could still vote.Then what in the Hell are you arguing with me for? The entire premise for me getting into this argument was to point out how you using the example of the Confederacy as a people who stood up to oppression is flawed because they were people wo carried out oppression of their own. And so did the founding fathers.
Oh, really? So what's happened to Sates' Rights?You mean states rights like the states being able to trade cotton to europe with out the northern middle man? Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? That's what you quoted from me and said that the South was only trying to achieve that. And they were. Or were the founding fathers not fighting for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness either because they were oppressors of slaves too.
And how much were their votes worth?
Shylock
Hey smiling strange
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