aimeeandbeatles
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I hate DRM, but if the game is good enough, I'll overlook it. (Although I won't buy anything from Sony. I find they're not high-quality anyways.)
DRM's?
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Thankfully for you, Sony doesn't have any games for PC.
fugazi
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Good games sell. Bad games do not sell. The result is DRM.
aimeeandbeatles
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Sony's the one who developed SecuROM, I believe.
Aramazd
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They do, but games using SecuROM are not Sony products. If you don't buy games with Securom, say that, not Sony.
If you have a problem you can call up the company and they can give you extra installs. It's not as if DRM means your games become useless.
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And suppose the company goes bankrupt so can't give any more installs?
I don't mind licesnse keys or that, but I have a problem when they install to ring 0. or limits installs. least they can do is put a huge ugly yellow sticker saying that DRM is in the program.
I have a few SecuROM games and I didn't see anything about it in the Readmes, EULAs (yeh i read them), or anything. Looked everywhere, not a mention. That bugs me.
Hmmm.... if you decline the EULA, does that give you a legal right to crack the DRM? But then it says you have to destroy the game material. Ah, forget it.
I don't mind licesnse keys or that, but I have a problem when they install to ring 0. or limits installs. least they can do is put a huge ugly yellow sticker saying that DRM is in the program.
I have a few SecuROM games and I didn't see anything about it in the Readmes, EULAs (yeh i read them), or anything. Looked everywhere, not a mention. That bugs me.
Hmmm.... if you decline the EULA, does that give you a legal right to crack the DRM? But then it says you have to destroy the game material. Ah, forget it.
QuoVadisNation
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If they just wanted to protect their product, companies wouldn't have gone to such extremes like prohibiting you from uninstalling and later installing [say, a few years later] instead of having to buy a new version of the game. The entire mechanism undermines the concept that in the end it's your video game to use as you will except copy it and sell it en masse. It's not protecting the product, it's milking as much profit as possible through questionable methods and re-defining your good into an "artistic service/good lasting for X number of years" (as Aimeendbeatles points out / or when the hotline dissolves after not becoming profitable). And if it weren't for state and country UCITA shelter- laws and statutes, they'd be much worse, intrusive, and persuasive.
I would expect most companies to release a patch fixing this if they're going bankrupt, any time developers or publishers are asked about this, they say they would.
I would be far more worried about losing paid for downloadable content (Steam, direct2drive, Impulse, etc.) because of bankrupty.
Nothing reasonable runs in ring 0, that's limited to the kernel.
And for any games that have a limited number of install, you can just call in for more.
No, you have that right in the first place. And even if you didn't, it wouldn't.
DRM is about controlling how people use content, not stopping piracy. IMHO, ****in the USA***, the worst is yet to come with digital TV and the ability of content providers to control, say, what you can and can't record, what ads you can and can't skip, what DVDs you can and can't play and on what hardware, locking out certain "questionable" content from even being watched... etc. etc.
Technology has so far been making things easier to get, and allowed people much more freedom to watch stuff when, where, and how they would like to watch stuff. DRM is the industry's method of giving them the control rather than the user. Oh, I see you recorded this on Monday? No sorry can't watch it on Thursday. Oh I see you recorded this on your desktop? No sorry can't watch it on your laptop. Hahaha silly DVR user, you can't skip my ads! Shame on you. What is this digitally unsigned song you are listening too?? System shutdown!! Etc etc...
carmen510
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Best policy:
Failing that, I believe that any program (DRM) that intrudes your privacy should be punished by law, and made illegal.
Also, the reason why some games have DRM in the first place is because they, usually, SUCK. (See: EA) And because they suck, people want it for free.
And for a bunch of wisdom from people:
Gamer's Bill of Rights
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 1
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 2
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 3
DRM: Power and Responsibility
EA Boss Hates DRM, But Blames It on Gamers
Is DRM Killing PC Games?
Positech Games: Talking to Pirates
Note that not all the links are to Twenty Sided, the bottom ones are different sites.
Spoiler Big :
Failing that, I believe that any program (DRM) that intrudes your privacy should be punished by law, and made illegal.
Also, the reason why some games have DRM in the first place is because they, usually, SUCK. (See: EA) And because they suck, people want it for free.
And for a bunch of wisdom from people:
Gamer's Bill of Rights
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 1
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 2
Publishers vs. Pirates, Part 3
DRM: Power and Responsibility
EA Boss Hates DRM, But Blames It on Gamers
Is DRM Killing PC Games?
Positech Games: Talking to Pirates
Note that not all the links are to Twenty Sided, the bottom ones are different sites.
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Somehow I suspect they would have better things to do while their employer liquidates assets than to write (and bug test?) DRM-removing patches for old software.
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Sad to say, this is already in effect.
Thorvald of Lym
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...And what would a DRM thread be without Randall?
aimeeandbeatles
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I don't even know which games use SecuROM until I already buy it and go home and look it up. And by then I can't return it, so I might as well install it.
So to protest, I don't buy anything from Sony. They don't make anything decent anyways except CD-Rs.
Aramazd
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That's completely your fault.I don't even know which games use SecuROM until I already buy it and go home and look it up. And by then I can't return it, so I might as well install it.
Sony stuff is generally high quality.
aimeeandbeatles
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Well, if you never know what the store's gonna have, and then you find like only 1 box that looks interesting at a good price, by the time you run home, look it up, and come back, it might be gone. And not to mention that my mom wouldn't be too happy driving me around.
And it doesn't mention SecuROM on the box, so it's either 1. buy it and risk having DRM or 2. not buy it, go home and look it up, and risk not getting it
And all the Sony stuff I had always crapped out on me.
Aramazd
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Don't open the packaging until you know?
SS-18 ICBM
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If it were that simple, people wouldn't be complaining about DRM in games. And DRM only serves to hurt the honest consumer. Spore's SecuROM didn't stop it from becoming widely pirated.
Yes they would.
While I don't particularly like DRM, I have a problem with most of the complaints being about trivial repetitive points, and most of the complainers having no real idea of how or why the industry works.
aimeeandbeatles
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The stores around here have a final sale, even if it's unopened, unless the disc is scratched then they give you another copy.
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