Elaboration of the point system?

[Bluemofia]

I've managed to spend almost five years on this forum, and I think I've looked a that portion of my usercp...maybe ten times...

Same thing here (except less years). Besides, what reason do you have to look at your profile? You should know your information already.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Moderator Action: Again, this is not an opportunity for people to discuss their warnings and infractions.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Why are some warnings worth two points? That's silly.

 

[Thunderfall]

We made some changes to it last week, so most infractions now have 3 levels (minor, regular, and major) and they all expire after 30 days. Here is the list:

Infractions
(Minor) Spam 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Trolling 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Inappropriate Content 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Flaming Other Member(s) 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Public Discussion of Mod Action 1 30 Day(s)
Signature/Avatar Rule Violation 1 30 Day(s)
Trolling 2 30 Day(s)
Flaming Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spam 2 30 Day(s)
Inappropriate Content 2 30 Day(s)
Inappropriate Language 2 30 Day(s)
Public Discussion of Mod Action 2 30 Day(s)
(Major) Inappropriate Content 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Spam 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Flaming Other Member(s) 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Trolling 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Public Discussion of Mod Action 3 30 Day(s)
Double Login (DL) 3 30 Day(s)
Piracy 3 30 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 60 Never

Automatic Ban
Ban Usergroup Points Infractions Ban Period
Banned by Moderators 8 7 Day(s)
Banned by Moderators 15 2 Week(s)
Banned by Moderators 30 1 Month(s)
Banned by Moderators 60 Forever

1 week automatic ban now requires 8 points to trigger instead of 6 points.

 

[Perfection]

What differentiates a minor, regular and major infraction?

 

[azzaman333]

What differentiates a minor, regular and major infraction?

I'd guess thats for the moderators to decide on a case by case basis.

 

[Mirc]

Infractions
(Minor) Spam 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Trolling 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Inappropriate Content 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Flaming Other Member(s) 1 30 Day(s)
(Minor) Public Discussion of Mod Action 1 30 Day(s)
Signature/Avatar Rule Violation 1 30 Day(s)
Trolling 2 30 Day(s)
Flaming Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spam 2 30 Day(s)
Inappropriate Content 2 30 Day(s)
Inappropriate Language 2 30 Day(s)
Public Discussion of Mod Action 2 30 Day(s)
(Major) Inappropriate Content 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Spam 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Flaming Other Member(s) 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Trolling 3 30 Day(s)
(Major) Public Discussion of Mod Action 3 30 Day(s)
Double Login (DL) 3 30 Day(s)
Piracy 3 30 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 60 Never

Automatic Ban
Ban Usergroup Points Infractions Ban Period
Banned by Moderators 8 7 Day(s)
Banned by Moderators 15 2 Week(s)
Banned by Moderators 30 1 Month(s)
Banned by Moderators 60 Forever

How can someone break the Avatar rule?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Too big avatar maybe, or an animated one. I think.

 

[Mirc]

But if you try to upload a too big or animated avatar it won't allow you!

 

[Padma]

Animated avatars (they *can* be loaded - but we will kill it on sight), but more commonly, 'unacceptable' avatars: porn, PDMA, attacking other posters, etc.

 

[Perfection]

You could upload something inappropriate.

Edit: Blasted Padma and his infernal posting before me.

I find these points somewhat out of whack, since when is garden variety spam worth just a little less then a DL, the ultimate forum heresy?

 

[ybbor]

I too was surprised Piracy and DL's carry such relativly minor consequences. Are there still "warnings" that don't count for points? Like could a signature problem be given a 0-point warning and not a 1-point minor infraction?

 

[Padma]

Yes, there are still zero-point "warnings".

And we moderators are always free to give bans where appropriate, whether the points add up to a ban, or not.

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

I wonder if all the energy you put into this is a waste? I almost think so, sorry for saying it.

Why does this forum need so much special rules? I am comparing to what I've seen elsewhere on the internet. And if you start to punish offenders in a more private manner, you automatically reduce your work load by 25-40%.
It is my impression that much of your work (perhaps 25-40% or so) is giving warnings to one particular (very very serious) offense: To publicly mention some mods action.

You warn/punish/attack people in public, I would believe that a few of the cases are mistakes from the mods? I have never seen a moderator action being taken back in public. The punishment is made public, but the prosecuted member cannot say anything in public. Here at CivFanatics, the court room are in the public forums.
Does human rights apply in cyberspace?

If you make the court room private, then you'll not have the problem with members explaining/defending themselves in public. There won't be any "moderator actions" to talk about.

 

[GenMarshall]

The punishment is made public, but the prosecuted member cannot say anything in public. Here at CivFanatics, the court room are in the public forums.
Does human rights apply in cyberspace?

If you make the court room private, then you'll not have the problem with members explaining/defending themselves in public. There won't be any "moderator actions" to talk about.

Unfortunately, our freedom of speech does not apply here in a democracy-less forum.

 

[Thunderfall]

Why does this forum need so much special rules? I am comparing to what I've seen elsewhere on the internet. And if you start to punish offenders in a more private manner, you automatically reduce your work load by 25-40%.
It is my impression that much of your work (perhaps 25-40% or so) is giving warnings to one particular (very very serious) offense: To publicly mention some mods action.

We don't have many special rules here. Most of the infractions listed are common to all forums. We have the "no public discussion of moderator action" rule because this is what works better for us based on our experience running this forum. We used to allow public discussions a few years ago but it didn't work well and in most cases it not only failed to resolve problems, but made problem worse.

Warnings for PDMA only account for a very small percentage of moderator actions, partly because it's been in place for some time and most people know the rule.

While some moderator actions can be handled in private, public moderator actions can not be avoided because the audience is often not limited to just a single user, but other users participating in the discussion too. The new infraction system we are testing actually allows more moderator actions to be done privately, because it makes it easier to send notice.

 

[WerBackIII]

I recived two really nicely Private Messages from Turner, and if he continues this way (Dear WerBack, You've just recived one infraaction point....
...
Yours,
Turner) I'll continue to make things to recive points just because I like his messages...

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

We don't have many special rules here. Most of the infractions listed are common to all forums. We have the "no public discussion of moderator action" rule because this is what works better for us based on our experience running this forum. We used to allow public discussions a few years ago but it didn't work well and in most cases it not only failed to resolve problems, but made problem worse.

Warnings for PDMA only account for a very small percentage of moderator actions, partly because it's been in place for some time and most people know the rule.

While some moderator actions can be handled in private, public moderator actions can not be avoided because the audience is often not limited just a single user, but other users participating in the discussion too. The new infraction system we are testing actually allows more moderator actions to be done privately, because it makes it easier to send notice.

Thanks for answering me.

I hope as much as possible can be done in private. It solves the problem with violating human rights. And it removes the need to give a public answer to the moderator. This way, doing one change solves two problems.

I know using the term "human rights" mighs sound dramatic, but I believe it hits the nail on its head quite well. I guess the opinions on this will wary with who is reading it, because we are from different places and different cultures, with a different approach to these rights. To me, public accusing and judging with no rights to publicly answer, seems humiliating. All people have a sense of honour, maybe to a warying degree.

The chances of getting whipped for questionable reasons is small, but still present. This would not be so bad if it was not for the PDOMA rule. But it is bad, and sometimes it intimidates people from taking part in discussions.

I didn't have any extreme offenses in mind when I wrote this, if someone are attempting to make serious trouble, then I don't care that much. But they are few and I doubt they have a true desire to be a part of this community.

 

[Abaddon]

This is TF's forum, you sign away all rights when joining.

 

[Raisin Bran]

Quick Question about the points system.

I received a warning a while ago and its now expired.
Does the infraction box in my user CP stay there for the rest of my CFC life or is there a way to get rid of it without just minimizing it ?

Like taking it away completely since I don't have any warnings left in there!