Electronic cigarettes

[Borachio]

I can't see how it helps to stop nicotine intake. I mean, it wouldn't, would it? In my experience, you're not going to overcome your addiction if you're still intaking nicotine. Stopping that is the whole idea.

But it does eliminate the intake of tar directly into the lungs and a lot of other toxins. So it's got to be better. Unless

Two initial studies have found formaldehyde, benzene and tobacco-specific nitrosamines (all carcinogens) coming from those secondhand emissions.

is accurate. A bit worrying that.

Still better than tobacco leaf, though.

I don't know. Nicotine is a real problem.

 

[Seraiel]

I unfortunately don't have a PC but am posting from my handy. I can link about 40 studies once I get my PC back (about 1 week) .

The study on Formaldehyd was proven wrong btw. In that study, they abused an E-Cigarette with having a machine that inhales, and that used the E Cig to inhale ridiculosly often and long, so the E Cig was used like no human could do so, and that's why they found traces of Formaldehyd at least 100 lower than from normal cigarettes. If they had used the e cig properly, FA would have been below what can be measured.

 

[Sonereal]

I think the final analysis will conclude that e-cigarettes aren't not 100% free of firsthand and secondhand health consequences, but also aren't as bad as actual cigarettes.

I unfortunately don't have a PC but am posting from my handy. I can link about 40 studies once I get my PC back (about 1 week) .

The study on Formaldehyd was proven wrong btw. In that study, they abused an E-Cigarette with having a machine that inhales, and that used the E Cig to inhale ridiculosly often and long, so the E Cig was used like no human could do so, and that's why they found traces of Formaldehyd at least 100 lower than from normal cigarettes. If they had used the e cig properly, FA would have been below what can be measured.

Thank you, and I will try to look up the formaldehyde study later today to see what turns up. It sounds like one of those studies where "if you drive blindfolded, your chances of crashing increase 1000%".

Edit: Quickly found an article.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I remember reading about a study which found that the e-cig liquid produces high levels of several carcinogens if it is burned, but that a properly functioning e-cig would never get nearly hot enough to produce them.

 

[Seraiel]

I think the final analysis will conclude that e-cigarettes aren't not 100% free of firsthand and secondhand health consequences, but also aren't as bad as actual cigarettes.



Thank you, and I will try to look up the formaldehyde study later today to see what turns up. It sounds like one of those studies where "if you drive blindfolded, your chances of crashing increase 1000%".

Edit: Quickly found an article.

This is quite true from the current perspective from science. It's stated, that E Cigs are about 100 to 1k ties less harmful than standard cigarettes.
Actually the only thing that is slightly bad about E Cigs are the sunstances in which the nicotin is (PG, VG) . They took some apes and tested them for superhigh amounts of those substances for 6 weeks non-stop, and all they found was some slight metaplasie at one of the apes.

Nicotine btw. also has various positive effects, i. e. that one can better concentrate. It's hard to adapt to not focussing as good as before, one of my main reasons I havn't quit yet.

Sample size = 2 btw., my girlfried quit smoking completely after 6 months with an E Cig. I'm very sure that E Cigs really help quitting, because one adapt to lower dosis of Nicotine.

 

[onejayhawk]

I remember reading about a study which found that the e-cig liquid produces high levels of several carcinogens if it is burned, but that a properly functioning e-cig would never get nearly hot enough to produce them.

That is true of most combustion, hence the problem with smoking. Repeat 20-60 times/day.

J

 

[hobbsyoyo]

One thing that absolutely needs to be done for e-cigs is to address their piss-poor design.

The way the tanks screw into the batteries is crap in that it invariably leads to you inadvertently disassembling the whole tank and dumping juice everywhere when the battery/tank interface threads are over-tightened. And it's very easy to accidentally over-tighten them just through normal use with no purposeful effort.

Similarly, the way the tanks are designed isn't very good either. They do allow you to take them completely apart for easier cleaning, but that same aspect causes the problem above and also makes them prone to flooding (where juice comes out the mouthpiece instead of vapor). Plus just unscrewing them to refill is often times a chore and you wind up having to have a solid surface to put parts on while you are refilling - the chore can't be done one handed and only two-handed if you're really good at it.


Basically, I want a tank that opens with some sort of latch or button that can't come undone accidentally. Similarly, I want a tank/battery interface that doesn't involve threads and screwing-in. I ask for the moon but I digress. One day, when I have the time, I'll design something with NX or CATIA and get it kickstarted. One day...



Also is it just me or are most shops starting to cater more and more to drippers? Drippers are the kinds of e-cigs that you have to manually add a couple of drops of e-juice to with almost every puff and they create massive clouds of vapors. I get that the way those things are customizable probably means more profit for shop owners because they can sell more kit. But I don't like feeling the shops aren't really interested in my business. I don't know, maybe it's just me but the stock of non-dripper tanks, batteries and juices at places seems to be declining as more and more shop inventory goes to drippers.

I actually would love a dripper because they hit soooo good but I can't carry around a bottle with me and drip it on cotton every time I puff. It's just not practical.


On the above conversation about the health benefits of e-cigs - there just isn't enough reliable data to make meaningful conclusions. People should be weary of anyone who says e-cigs are healthy; it's probably fair to say they are healthier than cigarettes, but I'd never go as far as to say they are healthy themselves. And while nicotine does has some helpful side effects (it's a potent anti-depressant; which is why a lot of people with mental health problems are smokers - they self medicate); they don't outweigh the risks of the substance.