Chinese (9-3)=6 Wonder hogging Qin Shi Huang is fine for now
Egyptians 37 French (19+1)=20 I don't care much for Catherine de Medici as the leader of France
Indians 40
Chinese 6 - 3 = 3 - Fourth place is too good for the Chinese, having outlasted civs with worse leader choices Egyptians 37 + 1 = 38 Egypt needs a proper leader
French 20
Indians 40
Chinese 0 (3-3) China is fine as it is. Egyptians 39 (38+1) I'd love to see Egypt led by a diplomatic leader or a builder. Both options are to be found easily. I'm still wondering why Egypt wasn't buffed with the latest patch.
French 20
Indians 40
Egyptians 39 French 17-3=14 - Every of the last three Civs have a... not good leader choices (Egypt has a Pharaoh who lost the empire to Romans, France has a woman that isn't even French and India has someone who was never an official leader of India). But the length of French history is much shorter than the length of the history of Indian and Egyptian civilizations, so I have the feeling that it has to go before them. Indians 41+1=42 - India needs an official leader. Gandhi was an important man in Indian history, he was the man who led Indians to their independence, but he was never a president or a prime minister, and that's why I'm unhappy with him being the leader of India who appeared in every main Civ game just because of the nuke meme.
Egyptians (39+1)=40 Curse you Shakespeare! Now Cleo is always portrayed as a seductress. French (14-3)=11 Catherine de Medici is not as bad a choice or overexposed as a Civ leader like Cleopatra and Gandhi are.
Indians 42
Egyptians 41 (40+1) I mean, wasn't Cleopatra known for keeping Egypt safe by aligning herself with Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, while Shakespeare exaggerated her story by quite a bit there are small inklings of truth. French 8 (11-3) Third place is good enough. Indians 42
Egyptians 43 (42+1) I'm all for another leader for Egypt, a civ with so many as of yet unused really great choices: Amenemhat III, Mentuhotep II, Senusret II/III, Amenhotep I/III, Snofru, Djoser, Pepi I, Seti I, Ramesses III, Amasis II...
French 5 Indians 39 (42-3) I'm not against Gandhi as a leader. I think he is a really good choice. The problem is that he appears too often and he should make room for someone else. If you haven't played all other civ games, this is not so much a problem.
Egyptians 40 (43 - 3) Maybe not powerful or wise, but certainly iconic and leader of Egypt at a very tumultuous time. French 6 (5 + 1) Just a horrible pick, especially considering all the potential choices. Not iconic, not revered, and embarrassing quite frankly. Without a doubt the worst leader choice in the game.
Indians 39
At the moment, an alternative Indian leader has more to add than an Egyptian alternative leader. Also, choosing Gandhi instead of other historical Indian leaders like Ashoka or Akbar bothers me greatly.
Egyptians 37 French 6 - 3 = 3 (Making way for the final fight. Catherine de Medici, while not the greatest French ruler, did hold de facto power and was a capable diplomat, though not unflawed.) Indians 40 + 1 = 41 (At least Cleopatra actually ruled Egypt. Gandhi never ruled India. Having him as India's leader seems more to do with feeding the nuclear memes than actually picking a great and worthy Indian leader like Akbar or Ashoka (who could, by the way, have easily had the same agenda as Gandhi and replaced him in VI.)
Egyptians 37 French 3-3=0 (ELIMINATED) - As Morningcalm said, Catherine de' Medici was probably the best from the Gandhi/de' Medici/Cleopatra trio. Although I'm not happy with her because she wasn't even French, I think I can be okay with her for some time. Indians 41+1=42 - Gandhi was never a president. Or a prime minister. Or king. Or emperor. Duke. Sultan. Rajah or Maharajah. And yet he's constantly reappearing mostly for the nuke joke. I wish Firaxis used Akbar, Shah Jahan, Ashoka, Shivaji or someone else good who actually ruled India.
Egyptians 38 (37+1) What other choice do I have? Indians 39 (42 - 3) I would rather have a full-fledged Mughal Civ rather than a second leader for India.
With Catherine, she may not have been French but she did commit herself fully to her new country, ultimately we need to view origin of a leader as less important than contributions to the country in question.
Egyptians 39 (38+1) All has been said. Indians 36 (39-3) And here as well. I'd second a new Mughal civ as well, why not give them the Alexander treatment? It could be made to fit the civ more than with just an extra leader.
Egyptians 36-3=33 - Not a good leader choice, but at least Cleopatra actually ruled the country. Indians 37+1=38 - Both Civs need a second leader, but I'm really sick of Gandhi.
Gandhi was not the leader of India, but he was an icon and leader in India's independence movement. Cleopatra is just a celeb.
And by the way - I hope they don't make a separate Mughal civ, because the Mughals were an episode of India's history, and therefore should not be separate.
Egyptians (34-3)=31 She lost her kingdom to the Romans, but she has appeared in Civ games less than Gandhi. Indians (35+1)=36 I think Gandhi is more overexposed in Civ games than Cleo, so I place a higher priority on an second Indian leader.
Egyptians 31 - 3 = 28 (At least Cleopatra ruled Egypt. Not the best ruler, but given her big personality and her intelligence I can understand her being in VI.) Indians 36 + 1 = 37 (Like a large number of posters I have read here, I am tired of the nuke memes and especially tired of a non-ruler being presented as a ruler of India. (In Civ V, he was called "president" in the voice-over narration)).
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