Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[RFormica]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 21
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 15 + 1 = 16 I like horse raiders! And the Mongols were much more successful than Scythia... totally different era and ethnicity.... had real leaders that weren't failures. No, Tomyris probably didn't exist... but here's what the real leaders did: Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing while his kingdom was being destroyed!!! The Mongols must return, and who better to lead them than Genghis Khan, woe of Central Asia! (and yes, I did make that title up.) Anyway, the rant is over...
Gustavus Adolphus 16
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 7
Napoleon 17
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 20
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 16 - 3 = 13 I would much rather prefer... really anybody else for China.

 

[Xandinho]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 21 + 1 = 22 Yes please. He needs to return to the game. I feel that Germany is not Germany without him.
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 16
Gustavus Adolphus 16
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 7
Napoleon 17
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 20 - 3 = 17 As I said before, I am not particularly interested in Shaka
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 16
Gustavus Adolphus 16
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 7-3=4 - She was probably the best Habsburg leader, but still, why not to use Franz Joseph this time? Or Rudolf II? Or Joseph II?
Napoleon 17
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25+1=26 - By his beard and belly, he needs to return! Ottomans must return!
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 13 (16-3) /rant/ Ok, so I get many people want Genghis. I can also understand many don't like Tomyris. But when you start comparing Mongols and Scythians as civs, why would you put down the Scythians? In contrast to Mongols, it's foremost known archeologically through the many great findings of the last two centuries. Well, except for some late western tribes that had contact with the Greeks, but that is quite some time after the Scythian heyday. Anyway, I've yet to see archeological remains of the Mongols that can compete with what Scythia left behind in their vast cultural territory. And of course, the Scythians were great conquerors, too. They just didn't have comparably big empires to conquer as the Mongols could many centuries later. But they started in their homes in Siberia and got as far as fighting on Egypt's borders during the 26th dynasty and raiding Palestine. That's quite something in the first half of the first millennium BC. So if you want to compare Mongols and Scythia, fine, I'll do it, too. /rant off/
Gustavus Adolphus 17 (16+1) I keep coming back to this guy, because for all others, I think there are 'better' options or new leaders I'd like to see. Except for Shaka and Maria Theresia, but I can do without those two civs.
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 4
Napoleon 17
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 17
Suleiman 26
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan (13+1)=14 Scythians left Kurgans, what else did they leave behind? (unless you count those ruins in Xinjiang (Kingdom of Khotan) Mongols at least have Karakorum and Xanadu. I find the Scythians to be incredibly generic as a Civilization (their unit is a Saka Horse Archer similar to G&K's Hunnic Horse Archer), with a possibly imaginary feminist icon (I don't trust the Greek accounts of Cyrus' death) as their leader. It's also a blob Civ. The genocide aspect of the Mongols shouldn't be a big issue since it happened nearly a thousand years ago. Not saying that's the reason the Scythians were added instead of the Mongols, I'm just guessing. But Scythia being added first shouldn't mean the Mongols are out from Civ6. Genghis Khan is my first pick for a Mongol leader. Kublai Khan was a little too sinicized for my tastes. And Genghis deserves a better portrayal than Civ5 version (especially the poor choice for a Mongolian voice actor). There's possible female choices for Mongol leader, but maybe they are too similar to Tomyris.
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 4
Napoleon 17
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 17
Suleiman (26-3)=23 Making sure he doesn't run off with the lead, plus there are other decent choices for Ottoman leaders.
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Siptah]

Scythians left Kurgans, what else did they leave behind?

The things inside the Kurgans of course. And yes, it's a blob civ, just like France, Germany, America, Arabia etc. There is a scythian culture though and its also called that in literature. And I agree that Scythia doesn't mean no Mongols, I just find the comparison of the two to be driven by a lack of knowledge (of both cultures, Scythia seems unknown to most people and the Mongols get reduced to a century of their greatest glory).

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 14 + 1 = 15 (Too iconic, too powerful, too successful, too agenda-worthy NOT to be in Civ VI eventually. Who else will take his place? His drunk son Ogedei? His grandson Kublai, who was more Chinese than any Mongolian before him and fought several failed wars?)
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 4
Napoleon 17 - 3 = 14 (A bit bland, surely? We have plenty of warrior leaders who had more flavor than this guy. France could use someone who was military + something else, i.e. cultural (Louis XIV) or religious (Henri IV))
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 17
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 15
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 4-3=1 - Two things. My gut tells me that the chance for a separate Bohemia would be very small if Austria resembling the Habsburg Monarchy appeared. That's the first thing. The second, I'd quite like to see someone else now, like Rudolf II.
Napoleon 14
Pachacuti 24
Ramesses II 14
Shaka 17
Suleiman 23+1=24 - Ottomans are a priority.
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17
Genghis Khan 15
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 1
Napoleon 14
Pachacuti 25 (24+1) I don't want to upvote the same guy again and again. And Pachakutiq is the bronze medal of Inka rulers for me. I just wish Firaxis would get rid of the old Spanish names for the Inca cities and rulers this time and use modern Quechua standard transcriptions as found in the literature since many decades.
Ramesses II 11 (14-3) Time for someone different.
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 13

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 17 + 1 = 18 Good chance he would return
Genghis Khan 15
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Time to finish her off
Napoleon 14
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 11
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan 15-3=12 - Still not very enthused about Mongolia due to Scythia
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 14
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 11
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24+1=25 - Pachacuti somehow got the lead. The Ottoman Empire is a bigger priority to me.
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan (12+1)=13 Mark my words, Genghis and the Mongols will arrive sooner rather than later. He's still my first pick for a Mongol leader.
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 14
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II (11-3)=8 It's time for Ram to take a well-deserved break from Civ.
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan 13 + 1 = 14 (The Mongols can be easily differentiated from the pseudo-religious Scythians--sure, both will rely on horsemen, but Genghis can also bring trade/siege/espionage bonuses. I would be especially intrigued by an espionage bonus, as he used merchants and their cooperation to defeat his enemies, notably with the assistance of Muslim merchants against Kuchlug (or Kushluk as he is known in Age of Empires II).
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 14 - 3 = 11 (Yawn. They cannot portray him as anything other than a successful conqueror, and unfortunately the game teems with many of those who were more flavorful agenda-wise and story-wise than Napoleon. The Napoleonic Code, while important, is likely to bow to Ur-Nammu, Hammurabi or Justinian in terms of game bonuses)
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 8
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan 14-3=11 - Still not enthused about the return of Mongolia.
Gustavus Adolphus 17
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 8+1=9 - Egypt needs a second leader, and Ramesses II is one of the best choices.
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan 12 (11 + 1) Too influential and iconic to be left out in my opinion.
Gustavus Adolphus 14 (17 - 3) I'm less enthused about the return of Sweden.
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 9
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan (12+1)=13 He's too important to ignore, and is the best choice for a Mongol leader.
Gustavus Adolphus 14
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II (9-3)=6 Ramesses can take a rest, and let Thuthmoses III or someone else take over
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 18
Genghis Khan 13 + 1 = 14 (Too iconic, too important, too much of a badass. He was an excellent tactician and relied on spies, the counsel of various foreign and religious advisors, and in a meritocratic fashion, elevated those skilled generals of his who were of low birth.)
Gustavus Adolphus 14 - 3 = 11 (Meh. European cavalry leader. Sure, he was accomplished militarily and elsewhere, but he's not as interesting story wise as many others on this list)
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 6
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19 I am a man who understands the importance of spices to food. Gajah is to be admired, truly.
Genghis Khan 14
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 3 I don't like gingers
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19 + 1 = 20 A given
Genghis Khan 14
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Ramesses II 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED

Spoiler You have been defeated :

Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 13

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21 (20+1) I have a feeling that he will see him again soon.
Genghis Khan 14
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25
Wu Zetian 10 (13-3) If you want a Tang emperor, Taizong would be a better choice imho, even if his later reign wasn't that successful.