Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Kimiimaro]

Aw, Ramesses II is out... Very well, now I can just cast my votes in other elimination threads and wait until Guandao will add the Pharaoh emoji to his name in the final rankings!

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 14-3=11 - Mongolia is not a priority to me - also, I'm fine with his position of Great General for now.
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 25+1=26 - There can be only one leader of the table, and Suleiman is the lucky one!
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 11 + 1 = 12 (One of the mightiest leaders in world history deserves inclusion. He created the world's largest land empire out of a squabbling group of nomads and showed immense tactical and strategic vision despite not having been raised for such circumstances. He increased scientific and religious learning as well as economic power via a new Pax Mongolica in addition to making mighty strides in military affairs, where he promoted people based on merit rather than class or creed.)
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon 11 - 3 = 8 (Boring, and always portrayed in a vanilla way in Civ. He is not fearsome. He is not known for anything other than military skill, and even that has been poorly represented in Civ.)
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 26
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 24
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan (12+1)=13 Voting for him again , he's too important to ignore, especially when considering a Mongol leader for Civ. Kublai, etc were building off of his success.
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 21
Napoleon (8-3)=5 I think Napoleon should take a rest for Civ6 and let some other French rulers be the second leader for France.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 26
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25 (24+1) Assyria not being included is maybe the biggest disappointment for me. But I'm sure they will return. Many leaders will have a war focus, but Assurbanipal and his library could go for science, while the civ focuses on war (or trade if they look at earlier incarnations of Assyria).
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 13
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 18 (21-3) Even if we need the return of Polynesia, why not take another leader. Why not one from earlier times and more to the south? And I don't think we need a Hawaiian empire civ.
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 26
Wu Zetian 10

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25 (24+1) Assyria not being included is maybe the biggest disappointment for me. But I'm sure they will return. Many leaders will have a war focus, but Assurbanipal and his library could go for science, while the civ focuses on war (or trade if they look at earlier incarnations of Assyria).
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 13
Gustavus Adolphus 11
Kamehameha 19 (18 + 1) For me personally, I'd love to see a separate Māori and Hawaiian civ as I find both cultures fascinating, and Kamehameha is not only iconic but also crucial to Hawaiian history. In addition, Kamehameha established the Law of the Splintered Paddle, which has become the model for modern human rights laws regarding the treatment of civilians during times of war.
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 23 (26 - 3) Merely to level the playing field a little more.
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 13 + 1 = 14 (His name is known worldwide, his descendants number in the thousands (even today), and his legacy is that of an empire put in almost all world history books)
Gustavus Adolphus 11 - 3 = 8 (Hardly the most interesting leader remaining. While successful, he's hardly flavorful.)
Kamehameha 19
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 14-3=11 - He was surely a great warrior and a leader, but I'm just not convinced that Mongolian Civ is a priority. I wouldn't complain if Firaxis put it in game right now, but I just don't find their inclusion that necessary. I prefer Ottomans, Incans and few other Civs to be included before them. Until their inclusion, I'm okay with him as a Great General.
Gustavus Adolphus 8
Kamehameha 19
Napoleon 5 - Napoleon's name is also known worldwide, and he also wasn't a man that wasn't raised to lead the France. Don't forget that he was a son of an unimportant Corsican nobleman. And yet he became one of the most known leaders in the whole world. There are many similarties between him and Genghis. Also, if you say that the only thing Napoleon was known for is his military genius... Well... Does the Arc de Triomphe count as an argument?
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 23+1=24 - As I said, for me, Ottomans are a bigger priority than Mongols.
Wu Zetian 10

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 8 He has so many descendants because he raped so many people.
Gustavus Adolphus 9 He's not a ginger, he's an Auburn.
Kamehameha 19
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 9 You can't have a Civ game without the Mongols or Genghis Khan. Scythia doesn't lose the priority of the mongols for me.
Gustavus Adolphus 6 I prefer someone else take Sweden's spot in this game.
Kamehameha 19
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 9
Gustavus Adolphus 7 (6+1) buying him one more life, I've given the reasons before
Kamehameha 16 (19-3) Don't want Hawaii as a civ and if a Polynesia blob civ must appear, it should be centered somewhere more south and get a leader from there.
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 14+1=15 - Africa needs more Civs in game, and Ahmad al-Mansur was one of the greatest Moroccan sultans.
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 9-3=6 - Not excited about the return of Mongolia now. There are some bigger priorities to me...
Gustavus Adolphus 7
Kamehameha 16
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 15
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 6 + 1 = 7 (The most powerful leader on this list. To have him be eliminated now would be silly. There is no also no historical record anywhere indicating he raped people. If anything, his Yassa code forbade rape and sexual abuse of women, which were punishable by death. Genghis has many descendants because he married many women and had children by them.)
Gustavus Adolphus 7 - 3 = 4 (European leaders are not a priority, and Adolphus fits into the mold of many European warrior kings we have seen in V and VI alike.)
Kamehameha 16
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 15
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan (7+1)=8 (Lets out a big long sigh). I guess today's PC culture has vilified you Genghis....Somehow Assyrian scholar king, Sapa Inca, obese Javanese Prime Minister, German chancellor, and Ottoman Sultan are more needed than you. Don't you fret, Temujin, Firaxis will remember you...
Gustavus Adolphus 4
Kamehameha 16
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman (24-3)=21 I don't want a second return of Suleiman. He was boring in Civ5 and had a silly voice actor. Plus Ottomans aren't saints compared to Mongols (invading Europe, sexual slavery, etc). I would like to see some other sultan like Mehmed the Conqueror or Selim instead.
Wu Zetian 10

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 15
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 8
Gustavus Adolphus 1 (4 - 3) Someone has to go next.
Kamehameha 17 (16 + 1) For the same reason I stated before, plus he's also my personal favourite.
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 21
Wu Zetian 10

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 15
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 21 + 1 = 22 Practically a given
Genghis Khan 8
Gustavus Adolphus 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED The Lion of the North needs a new voice actor
Kamehameha 17
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 21
Wu Zetian 10

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Ahmad al-Mansur 15
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 5 Forcing people into a marriage or being a concubine still counts.
Kamehameha 17
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18 Not really another choice for the Zulus, but there are for the Mongols.
Suleiman 21
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12 (15-3) too much points
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 6 (5+1) too less points
Kamehameha 17
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 21
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 6-3=3 - While Mongolia is an interesting Civ, I just have the feeling it's not that needed as much as some other major Civs on this list, like Incans or Ottomans. If they will be included, I wouldn't mind it. Genghis was a good leader, a brilliant warlord and the best choice to lead the Mongol Civ... But I think I can survive with him being just a Great General for some time.
Kamehameha 17
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 21+1=22 - He was probably the greatest Ottoman Sultan, and Ottoman Civ is a priority to me.
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 3+1=4 He's a civ must have.
Kamehameha 17-3=14 I'm not up for a blob civ and is not interested in a Hawaiian civ.
Napoleon 5
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan (4+1)=5 Must survive Napoleon.... Plus he's not the only leader in history to have forced marriages. Coughs European Kings Coughs Chinese Emperors Coughs Ottoman Sultans. The list goes on and on.
Kamehameha 14
Napoleon (5-3)=2 It's time for Napoleon to take a break after his dull presentation in Civ5. Plus, they made him look short on the horse.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10