Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 22
Genghis Khan 5 + 1 = 6 (Absolutely essential. His maintenance of control and his immense power make him the prototypical fearsome warrior king.)
Kamehameha 14
Napoleon 2 - 3 = Adieu. Portrayed in a dull fashion in Civ and not scary at all. Not welcome back til we have had other French leaders.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 12
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19 (22-3) I do not really need Indonesia again
Genghis Khan 7 (6+1) absolutely this is the leader with clearly the most up votes in the history of elimination games
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10

 

[AnonymousSpeed]

Ahmad al-Mansur 13 A learned man whose trade with Europe allowed him to secure money and guns to defeat the Songhai and fund his own domestic building projects. His vision of a New World where Islam was the dominant religion is visionary, if hilariously misguided in hindsight.
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19
Genghis Khan 4
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10

 

[Morningcalm]

Genghis Khan 4

You need to at least cite a reason for downvoting Genghis per the rules indicated in Guandao's parent post on page 1.

 

[SMcM]

Ahmad al-Mansur 10 (13 - 3) Don't feel like we need to repeat his inclusion two games in a row when there are plenty of other notable Moroccan leaders. If Morocco were to re-appear, I'd rather see Yusuf ibn Tashfin (another very accomplished leader) as a change
Ashurbanipal 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19
Genghis Khan 5 (4 + 1) The leader civ 6 is missing the most in my opinion- the most significant leader of arguably the most important civ which isn't in civ 6
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10

 

[RFormica]

Ahmad al-Mansur 10
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19
Genghis Khan 5 + 1 = 6 A civ staple that definitely should be included.
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22
Wu Zetian 10 - 3 = 7 I would prefer someone else.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 10
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 22
Gajah Mada 19
Genghis Khan 6-3=3 - Compared to the other leaders/civs here, he's not a bigger priority to me. I won't have a problem with him reappearing as a leader right now, but I can be okay with him staying a great general for now.
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 22+1=23 - The Ottoman Empire needs to return!
Wu Zetian 7

 

[God of Kings]

I will not vote until AnonymousSpeed provides a rationale for downvoting Genghis Khan

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 10
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 22 - 3 = 19 (Do we need another German warrior leader? Like Napoleon, Bismarck has been poorly represented in Civ despite appearing several times. He's not a fearsome diplomatic manipulator almost ever, and with VI's rather broken diplomacy I don't see a place for him in VI)
Gajah Mada 19
Genghis Khan 3 + 1 = 4 (Too important to exclude; too iconic to exclude; has the most upvotes of any leader in this thread.)
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 10
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 19
Gajah Mada (19-3)=16 If Indonesia is in the SE Asian DLC, I don't expect Gajah Mada to be the leader. They already added Amanitore, so adding GM would be accused of pandering to big size people. All joking aside, I think Firaxis would consider picking his King Hayam Wuruk or Queen Tribhuwana.
Genghis Khan (4+1)=5 Is AnonymousSpeed the one who downvoted Genghis for committing "rape" (even though countless other powerful men throughout history have done the same)? That's probably his reason for that downvote. I'm sick of people making Genghis out to be a medieval Mongolian version of Hitler. All of that destruction and massacre was nearly a millennia ago. If anything, I should be more angry at Genghis than many of you, since I'm descended from Chinese people. But I'm not.
Kamehameha 14
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7

 

[conorbebe]

Ahmad al-Mansur 7 (10 - 3) Worthy yes, but perhaps less iconic than the other leaders still in the running, at least to me.
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 19
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 5
Kamehameha 15 (14 + 1) Savior of the Hawaiian archipelago.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 7+1=8 - The game needs more African Civs, and Morocco is a nice choice. Also, Ahmad al-Mansur could be quite nice leader choice...
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 19
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 5-3=2 - I think he can wait as a great general for some time. Mongolia led by him should definitely be added, but I'm not very enthused in seeing it return right now. There are few more Civs I'd like to see more before this horse raider Civ will return (and yes, I doubt that Firaxis won't make them another horse raiding Civ).
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 8
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck (19-3)=16 I won't object to his return to Civ6, but I find him a bit boring as a Civ leader. Too bad Frederick of Prussia shares his name with Frederick Barbarossa.
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan (2+1)=3 Probably my last vote for him before the Czech shoots him off his horse . I don't think Scythia being in the vanilla should mean Firaxis putting off the Mongols til the second expansion.
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7

 

[RFormica]

Ahmad al-Mansur 8
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 16
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 3 + 1 = 4 Genghis shall last one more downvote!
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 7 - 3 = 4 As I said before

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 8
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 16 - 3 = 13 (Too dull in his past incarnations; would prefer they not install a second German leader just yet either--other non-European civs take precedence.)
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 4 + 1 = 5 (Too potent and important to exclude.)
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 18
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 4

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 5 (8-3) I'd love to have Morocco back, but I think they should cycle through the leaders if possible. And it's definitely possible for Morocco to find other potential leaders. I think Moulay Ismail would fit civ VI's big personalty theme.
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 13
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 5
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19 (18+1) Not too enthusiastic about the Zulu returning, but if so, it would have to be with Shaka.
Suleiman 23
Wu Zetian 4

 

[Kimiimaro]

Genghis Khan (2+1)=3 Probably my last vote for him before the Czech shoots him off his horse . I don't think Scythia being in the vanilla should mean Firaxis putting off the Mongols til the second expansion.

Maybe you could be Chinese that shooted Genghis off his horse, and thus steal that elimination I work on pretty long time from me Just one little downvote...

Ahmad al-Mansur 5
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 13 - Maybe Bismarck could focus on industry or policies, instead of military?
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 5-3=2 - He cannot fight forever. I'd welcome his return as a leader of Mongolia, but I'm just not very enthused about him right now. Plus Asia isn't in such horrible need of new Civs. It has several Civs already plus at least one SE Asian Civ guaranteed.
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19
Suleiman 23+1=24 - The Ottoman Empire is one of the biggest priorities to me.
Wu Zetian 4

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur (5-3)=2 I think Morocco can be represented by a different King this time. They shouldn't have portrayed Ahmad al-Mansur as a super friendly guy in BNW, considering what he did to Songhai....
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 13
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan (2+1)=3 I will defend Temujin's right to terrorize China and Russia til the very end!
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 4

Kimiimaro, Ottomans are located in Asia, but you say Asia isn't in pressing need of new Civs?

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 2
Ashurbanipul 25
Bismarck 13 - 3 = 10 (Boring in every Civ incarnation ever.)
Gajah Mada 16
Genghis Khan 3 + 1 = 4 (Too important to exclude.)
Kamehameha 15
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19
Suleiman 24
Wu Zetian 4

 

[Kimiimaro]

Kimiimaro, Ottomans are located in Asia, but you say Asia isn't in pressing need of new Civs?

Ottomans are exception Also, their empire had territories in Africa and Europe too... And they have more good leaders than Mongols