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Elon Musk: Force for anthropic advancement or self-serving con-artist?

No...
Can I interest you in cheaper feasable space travel and exploration?

Not really, there's far more important things to fix here on earth that a trillion dollars would go a hell of a long way to fixing.

But that's an aside to the point I was making. My point is that if you believe that Musk wants that money for anything other than being rich, you're incredibly naïve.
 
My point is that if you believe that Musk wants that money for anything other than being rich, you're incredibly naïve.
Ofc is wants to be rich...but he could've just hoarded all that money and bought a paradisiac islands and spend his days in the sun instead of moving around investing and employing folks.
 
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Ofc is wants to be rich...but he could've just hoarded all that money and bough a paradisiac islands and spend his days in the sun instead of moving around investing and employing folks.
Indeed. That is true for anyone over some threshold far below the billion mark. Exactly what motivates these people to keep harming the world and their fellow humans when they already have more money than they can spend is one of the great tragic mysteries of our day.

I am reminded of this anecdote:

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We can only hope.

The annual shareholder meeting is today in a few hours.
I think they will do the $1 trillion Musk vote today?


Just press the play button to watch endless Tesla hype.

**Edit**
They are not actually paying him $1 trillion dollars.


They will give him 35.3 million fresh shares of Tesla each time he hits 1 of 12 company milestones.

If all goals are met, it will be 423.7 million new shares of ownership of the company.
At current value of $444 per share (it varies between $180 and $450 the last 5 years), that is $187.8 billion worth of stock.

Where is the $1 trillion coming from?

Well, all the current shares added together (market cap) currently equals $1.48 trillion if sold at current ($444 dollars) value. (There are 3 billion 223 million shares)
The final goal requires a market cap of $8 trillion

Musk's 423.7 million new shares worth about $187.8 billion with x5.4 magical increase in value is $1 trillion 14 billion.


I really don't see how Musk can possibly do it.
They are a freaking car company.
Ford, GM, etc. all lose $5 billion per year trying to make electric vehicles.
Maybe if a breakthrough in solid state electric batteries occurs and they have 1000 mile range, 5 or 10 minute charging time, and no possibility of fires.

Something went insane for Tesla in 2020!

 
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I wish one day I won't need a job and then I can become an intellectual.
 

Elon Musk's $1tn pay deal approved by Tesla shareholders​

Tesla shareholders have approved a record-breaking pay package for boss Elon Musk that could be worth nearly $1tn (£760bn).

The unprecedented deal recommended by the firm's board, cleared a vote from shareholders at the firm's annual general meeting on Thursday.

The deal requires Musk, who is already the world's richest man, to drastically raise the electric car firm's market value over a period of years. If he meets various targets, he will be rewarded with hundreds of millions of new shares.

The scale of the deal is controversial, but the Tesla board argued that Musk might leave the company if it was not approved - and that it could not afford to lose him.

The pay package was approved by 75% of Tesla shareholders who cast ballots, drawing loud applause from the audience at the AGM in Austin, Texas.

"What we're about to embark upon is not merely a new chapter of the future of Tesla, but a whole new book," Musk told the audience when he took the stage to more cheers.

"Other shareholder meetings are snoozefests but ours are bangers. Look at this. This is sick," Musk said.

The pay package requires Musk to achieve a series of milestones in order to achieve the massive payday.

These include raising Tesla's market value to $8.5tn from the $1.4tn at time of writing.

He would also need to get a million self-driving "Robotaxi" vehicles into commercial operation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk6kvyxvzo
 
¨He would also need to get a million self-driving "Robotaxi" vehicles into commercial operation.¨
Σο the deal announcement is itself part of the never-ending hype? :)
I guess the "Mars in two years" one has been done to death.
 
I’m still hesitant with throwing around the label “fascist”. Though I’d perfer to use the phrase “…but funded an authoritarian idiot instead”.
 
He did a literal nazi salute, wants to overthrow democratically elected government's, thinks white people are inherently superior and hates a multitude of minority groups, if he doesn't qualify as a fascist then who does?
 
He did a literal nazi salute, wants to overthrow democratically elected government's, thinks white people are inherently superior and hates a multitude of minority groups, if he doesn't qualify as a fascist then who does?
I share your deep concerns about the actions you've raised regarding Elon Musk. I am not disputing that he did a Nazi Salute, desire to overthrow the democratic norms of another nation, and other issues you have raised. My core issue is with the use of "fascist" as it's been overused as a political insult that has lost it's precise historical meaning. Hence why I prefer to use the terms like "authoritarian", "illiberal". "totalitarian", perhaps even "bigoted" to better describe his specific behaviors and their impact.
 
I share your deep concerns about the actions you've raised regarding Elon Musk. I am not disputing that he did a Nazi Salute, desire to overthrow the democratic norms of another nation, and other issues you have raised. My core issue is with the use of "fascist" as it's been overused as a political insult that has lost it's precise historical meaning. Hence why I prefer to use the terms like "authoritarian", "illiberal". "totalitarian", perhaps even "bigoted" to better describe his specific behaviors and their impact.
I see people say this a lot, but most of the current political figures I see called fascist generally meet the definition through their actions and rhetoric, including Musk.
 
Activists decided to put up a special ‘blue plaque’ for Elon Musk at a London Tesla dealership to honour his $1 trillion pay packet.
Well, how?—Food needs to be grown, transported, kept for storage, all of which requires fuel, chemicals, labor, machinery. People can’t eat a bank ledger, so the “just take it” school of thought doesn’t resonate with me.
 
Well, how?—Food needs to be grown, transported, kept for storage, all of which requires fuel, chemicals, labor, machinery. People can’t eat a bank ledger, so the “just take it” school of thought doesn’t resonate with me.
He's the one who said he'd do it, why aren't you asking him?
 
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The only I see he could effectively end 3rd world hunger would be by toppling a number of autocrat regimes. Otherwise it's just burning money.

UN and other organisations NGOs or not have been funding/providing food programmes for how long now?

Have they ended hunger somewhere and put the local government to work in cooperation with the people to grow that food?

My perception is that food programmes on the 3rd world are just small bandaids on a festing wound.

That being said I do contribute for food aid in my country.
 
He's the one who said he do it, why aren't you asking him?
I didn’t know he was the one who said it. I looked into it and the context seems to be that the $6 billion Musk offered was (a.) conditional on having a public, he called it “open-source,” plan, and (b.) appeared to be a stopgap measure that would alleviate the current condition but not solve the problem.
The only I see he could effectively end 3rd world hunger would be by toppling a number of autocrat regimes. Otherwise it's just burning money.
I could even see a case where giving aid to people under these regimes would end up strengthening the bad governments rather than incentivizing positive change. This was at least partly the case brought up with the Live Aid money that went to the Derg in Ethiopia, which only collapsed after the end of Soviet support from Gorbachev.
 
I share your deep concerns about the actions you've raised regarding Elon Musk. I am not disputing that he did a Nazi Salute, desire to overthrow the democratic norms of another nation, and other issues you have raised. My core issue is with the use of "fascist" as it's been overused as a political insult that has lost it's precise historical meaning. Hence why I prefer to use the terms like "authoritarian", "illiberal". "totalitarian", perhaps even "bigoted" to better describe his specific behaviors and their impact.

"Fascist" might get overused but it's a pretty fitting moniker for somebody who talks like a fascist, salutes like a fascist, and repeatedly feeds far-right propaganda to his AI to try to turn it into MechaHitler.
 
Investors’ ‘dumb transhumanist ideas’ setting back neurotech progress, say experts

It has been an excellent year for neurotech, if you ignore the people funding it. In August, a tiny brain implant successfully decoded the inner speech of paralysis patients. In October, an eye restored sight to patients who had lost their vision.

It would just be better, say experts, if the most famous investors in the space – tech magnates such as Elon Musk and OpenAI’s Sam Altman – were less interested in uploading their brains to computers or merging with AI.

“It’s distorting the debate a lot,” said Marcello Ienca, a professor of neuroethics at the Technical University of Munich. “There is this long-term concern regarding the narratives they use.”

Michael Hendricks, a professor of neurobiology at McGill, said: “Rich people who are fascinated with these dumb transhumanist ideas” are muddying public understanding of the potential of neurotechnology. “Neuralink is doing legitimate technology development for neuroscience, and then Elon Musk comes along and starts talking about telepathy and stuff.”

Silicon Valley firms have ramped up investment in neurotechnologies in the past years, with Altman in August co-founding Merge Labs, a competitor to Musk’s Neuralink. Apple and Meta are both working on wearable devices that leverage neural data: a wristband for Meta, EEG headphones for Apple.

At this point, said Ienca, most of the US’s big tech companies have dedicated research on neurotechnology: Google’s neural mapping project, for example, or Meta’s acquisition of Ctrl Labs. “The neurotech game is really in the process of going mainstream,” he said.

These technologies have considerable near-term potential to treat a variety of neurological issues – from ALS to Parkinson’s to paralysis. The problem is, their investors don’t always appear to have curing disease as an end goal.

Musk has said brain-computer interfaces like Neuralink’s may one day allow people to “upload [their] memories” and “download them into a new body or a robot body”. Altman, though quieter on the subject, has blogged about the impending “merge” between humans and machines – which he suggested would either through genetic engineering or plugging “an electrode into the brain”. (In 2018, Altman invested in a “100% fatal” brain-uploading startup, paying $10,000 to join its waiting list.)

To be clear, technologies like brain uploading are a long way off, Hendricks and Ienca said: in fact, they’re probably impossible, at least in the foreseeable future. “Biological systems are not like computers,” Hendricks said.

Some worry, however, that far-fetched narratives could stymie actual health advances – for example, by pushing regulators to adopt broad, fear-driven laws.

Kristen Mathews, a lawyer who works on mental privacy issues at the US law firm Cooley, said all this “sci-fi hype could trigger regulation that would hinder advances in technology that would otherwise have the potential to really help people who need help”.

“It’s completely unrealistic, and it’s hiding the real questions,” said Hervé Chneiweiss, a neuroscientist who chaired a panel of experts advising Unesco on its global standards for neurotechnology, adopted on Wednesday.

The actual frontier of neurotechnology is best understood as encompassing three distinct categories. There are medical devices, such as the brain implants that decode speech, or Neuralink’s electronic chip that allowed a man with a spinal injury to control a computer. There are consumer wearables, a newer frontier that includes devices such as EEG earbuds or, more loosely, glasses such as Apple’s VisionPro that track your eye movements.

Then there are the science-fiction efforts, such as Nectome, the brain-uploading startup, or Kernel, which aims to link brains to computers, or Neuralink’s recent efforts to trademark the name Telepathy.

The first category promises the most powerful advances: restoring vision and hearing, and treating neurodegenerative diseases or perhaps psychiatric disorders. But these devices are extremely tightly regulated – as are all medical devices – and far less advanced than more hype-driven reporting sometimes suggests. A recent paper in Frontier in Human Neuroscience decried the “misleading propaganda” around brain-computer interfaces, saying the technology was still in its infancy.

The second category, consumer wearables, are a thornier regulatory problem. While there has been a spate of reporting on privacy-invasive brain-measuring devices – for example, China’s much-discussed EEG helmets that supposedly monitor construction workers for fatigue, or pupils for focus – it’s far less clear that these have ever worked, or pose a real surveillance risk.

“The evidential robustness of the systems is very limited. There are very few replicable studies,” said Ienca.

Hendricks says devices such as EEG earphones – which companies like Emotiv, for example, are now marketing – are unlikely to be an effective surveillance tool because the data is too noisy and, like signals from a lie detector, unreliable in individual cases.

Chneiweiss, however, argues that they raise real concerns: “If they are used in the workplace, they could monitor your brain fatigue or things like that, and the data could be used to discriminate.”

The science-fiction applications, meanwhile, often rely on the premise that healthy people would voluntarily get invasive brain implants – to communicate with computers, for example, or move objects with their minds.

This is unlikely. If it happened, and if the technology advanced, it might well raise surveillance concerns. But, Hendricks said, it’s extremely unclear if such surveillance would be significantly more useful than the vast amount of granular data – browser histories and purchase data – that big tech companies already have.

“We have so many ways to influence people through language and simple visual media,” Hendricks said. “I don’t think that [brain implants] would catch up for a long time.”

As for brain uploading, Hendricks said the idea came from people in technology who “think about computers too much”, convincing themselves that the brain is hardware and the self is software that can be run on it – or in a computer, or on a robot.

“If I could really be uploaded to be made immortal in a computer, then I should be happy to just kill myself right now as long as someone tells me, like, oh, you’re living in that metal box over there,” he said. “But I don’t think many people would take that bet. I think instinctively we know that’s bullfeathers.”
 
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