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[BNW] Enjoyable Deity Games

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Nizef, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Acken

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    I had a very standard game with 4 city tradition. The cataphract was not needed, I built 2 dromon for exploration and the UA well... I got an extra hammer for boats out of it. As always it's a nice bonus but nothing fantastic. Byzantium is really a lackluster Civ.

    You don't really have to balance Aesthetics since it doesn't have many good policies beside the %tourism at the end, the culture bonus for city with wonder and the finisher (musicians for faith). So most of it is mid to late game stuff. Meanwhile Rationalism has 2 godly policies (opener and secularism) and 2 good ones (+%GS and 17% university). My usual path is 6/6 First tree, 1/6 to 2/6 Aesthetics (Policies while waiting Renaissance), 4/6 Rationalism, 3/6 Ideology and then bouncing between Aesthetics, finishing Rationalism, getting tier 3 ideology, maybe open exploration for Louvre. Your policy acquisition will explode once you reach archaeology + world fair. Order varies and depends on what makes most sense right now. Note that I mostly use great writers for culture boost.

    Ideology is a tricky subject for CV. Assuming no futurism shenanigans, either you go for the best tree (Freedom) or you go for the tree most likely picked by the AI (Order). I usually pick freedom because I win so fast that the AI doesn't have a long time sitting around with order ideology but it is possible that for longer games Order is a good pick if initial pressure is a worry and the combination of no differing ideology penalty + Cultural revolution is good enough if your culture leader also has order.
     
  2. Nizef

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    Yet again, I post a new map in the spirit of EDG, this time EDG7. It is a standard sized Small Continents Plus map on standard speed with Polynesia. The map is unmodded. All VCs are enabled and quick combat is on. I have tried to copy the spirit of the much loved CDG26, but this one is especially for those of us, who enjoy an isolated start (which obviously is no issue with Polynesia). Regarding some of the strategic resources you will need to use your imagination. I have played it twice and it seems there is no shortage of wars between the AIs. Keep clear or join the fun!

    In my own opinion the map is great fun and definitely worthwhile trying out. Have fun!
     

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  3. beetle

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    Thanks I did enjoy this map! I did four city Tradition to lock up the Wine and took Goddess of Festivals for UA Bonus Belief. Won by wholly peaceful CV on T316. (Well, I did grief the closest neighbor early, but we had a DOF the whole rest of the game.) Only my 2nd CV outside of Brazil or Polynesia. I very much recommend this map for anyone struggling with CV, it is just that strong! (Note, game file has a minor bug. I had unlocked Satellites, but still got a CS quest to find a Natural Wonder.)
     
  4. Nizef

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    I was not aware of that. It might have something to do with RAS. And while we are at it, have a look at the picture in this post. It has nothing to do with the Theodora game but it is still a kind of WTF-moment. In all of my several thousand hours in Civ 5, it has never happened to me before, that GBR has fish on the same tile. The picture is from a totally unmodded start.
     

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  5. beetle

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    Your Byzantium map (EDG5) has the same effect. Look at GBR due south of Lhasa.
    I am replaying that one, trying for DomVC, which is something that I struggle with almost as much as with CV.
     
  6. Nizef

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    I didn´t see that either. Has it happened to you before?
     
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    EDG7 won on turn 152 with a Domination Victory.

    Feeling inspired after reading a writeup of an incredible turn 106 HoF win by Manpanzee I wanted to try a Polynesian Galleass rush.

    Although this wasn't an ideal map there is possibility for a fairly fast sweep. I reckon a better player can shave off 20-30 turns.

    Spoiler :
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  8. Nizef

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    Probably the three AIs sharing a continent up north?
     
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    Spoiler :
    There were a few things that made this challenging.
    • Lack of trade route science potential.
    • Capitals that are in very defensive locations.
    • There is a lot of land around the capitals for ranged units.
    Maria is the only AI close enough that can settle a city where trade routes can be established between each other. Whether it happens is luck based. An alternative would be to send a settler towards Venice. Whether the trade route science would offset the increased tech cost I'm not sure. I was able to reach Compass on turn 84 without trade route science. An extra 4 beakers for 10-20 turns could have brought that under 80.

    Stockholm and London are in very advantageous positions for a defender. There are only three tiles that the city can be shot from (two with a melee ship adjacent to the city).

    The best maps for a Galleass rush are maps with very tiny islands. Berlin took around 15 turns to take and I lost a quarter of my navy taking it. Bismark was able to surround his capital with CBs/XBs and also Galleasses. The added land space makes defending much easier.

    Despite that it was still a fun map and I learned a lot for the next time I attempt a Polynesian Galleass rush. Thanks for posting it.
     
  10. beetle

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    I think so. I saw the fish under the GBR. but did not think much of it. So I guess I must have seen it before?
     
  11. Nizef

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    Hi there,
    This time I am uploading something that definitely has nothing to do with my "normal" enjoyable deity games. However, I wanted to share this, if you are sitting at home on a rainy day and want a rough challenge. Since this is Deity and Epic game pace, the challenge only concerns the first 170 turns. You are playing Arabia, the map is unmodded and the start is good, as you can see for yourself, but… you will soon experience that this is not very straightforward. You are starting in the middle of the map and all your neighbours are either aggressive or religious, or both. I also stole a worker from a crazy lady and she wouldn´t give me peace at all after that. I had barely settled my second expansion, when there already was a formidable "queue" of different troops outside my capital. Anyway, I was thinking that the achievements would be:
    15 p for every self founded city that you control on t170
    40 p for founding your own religion
    10 p for every city with your religion on t170
    30 p for each World Wonder that you have built yourself
    40 p for reaching Education before t170
    60 p for each AI capital that you control on t170 and
    1 p for each enemy unit killed.
    Just as a reference, my points were 226, including two World Wonders.
     

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    Hello,
    I want to present to you EDG8. The civ to play is Brazil on a large sized Continents map on standard speed. The game has been modified with Really Advanced Setup. All VCs are enabled and quick combat is on. There is no shortage of luxuries and nearby are two wonders that further will improve your happiness. Needless to say, you should feel ashamed of yourself, if you don´t settle all the best spots yourself. :) Enjoy!
     

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    Hi again,
    It is time for EDG9. This is an unmodded Standard sized Pangaea map with Mongolia. Before you read further I must "warn" you that it is on Epic speed. All VC:s are enabled and quick combat is on. This one I can recommend for anybody, who would like to win a DomV on Deity. It is just that good! It is in fact so good that ANY VC is possible with a help of a little warfare when it is Keshik-time. This one you WILL enjoy!!

    Spoiler Do not read if you don´t want some help. I will tell about my early game. :
    I started by moving my settler four tiles to the east up on the hill between the sheep. My first expansion was the incredible spot to the north, where it was possible to get 2 Citrus, 1 Cotton, 1 Cocoa, 1 Sugar, 2 Bananas AND Mt. Sinai in range. The same spot also contains Aluminium! Crazy. All in all 4 city NC on t136 and I went for the capitals of the eastern and northern neighbours with my Keshiks.


    Spoiler Do not read if you don´t want some help. I will tell about my statistics at the end of the game. :
    This was just incredible. I have rarely had a game on deity that I just not wanted to end just yet. I was making 1688 science per turn without focusing on it, and my culture output was 599 cpt. Gold output was 274 per turn and faith output 142 fpt. I had the all the techs for SV and I was dominating the World Congress. I won a DomV on t418 but I could have won much earlier. My seven core cities (including Paris and Vienna) were pop 41-25-23-20-20-19-19. Social Policies were full Tradition and full Rationalism, 9 points in Order, 3 in Honor, 2 in Commerce and I also had the Aestethics opener.
     

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    Thanks @Nizef, I am going to give this a shot since like CV games. I will try Liberty for my first run.
     
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    Interesting to read what you made of it. I went 6 city Tradition and my yellow neighbour had a lot of culture as well, so later on I had to integrate his cities into the glourious Brazilian empire.
     
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    Wow, impressive. Is this a typical Freedom CV timing or is it because of the map? I never know that Freedom is this strong for CV.
     
  17. beetle

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    What turn did you win and what kind of VC? I was at war the whole game with yellow and that slowed down NC which in turn lead to my being last to Ideologies. I am soon to loose by SV to someone or another. :wallbash: Then I will retry from very early with 4-city Tradition, to see how that goes for a CV attempt.
     
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    I stole a couple of workers from the yellow guy early on, but we lived in peaceful harmony after that until t240+ (when I decided he needs to go down). Mr. Khan was quite aggressive in my game (he "ate" his green neighbour early), which kept the yellow guy occupied. With six core cities I was third to ideologies and picked Order (which the yellow guy already had). I could not make it to CV but won a fairly easy SV on t311. The yellow guy and the blue guy to the east were the cultural forerunners. The dark grey guy was also annoying, because he was wonderwhoring and spamming cities all over the place.
     
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    Just a lurker, but I am diggin' the, what, clandestine? (maybe oblique is better?) references in this thread.
     
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    Map mostly. Freedom is fine with Mass media and landmark.
     
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