erezNES - Waves of Civilization

[erez87]

OOC: and the response from the league of kings?

You can assume they will support you against the Harhana in any way. Thou the Harhana have been mostly defeated. All want to continue remain united in the pact and peacefully trade, even the Ikenmai.

 

[Patchy]

Cao Bei stepped forward to diliver his desicion to the league

"When the Oracle spoke his words were that a greater evil would come 'if the Harhana are wholly defeated' so I believe the answer is obvious. We shall not kill the Harhana and instead absorb and exile them. Xian will open its doors to the Harhana who wish to renounce their ways and adopt a civilized life, those who wish to cling to their old ways will be exiled to the far north. That way the Harhana will be subdued and not 'wholly defeated' so we should be safe from this greater evil."

"I pray to my ancestors that fate will see it like I do but we cannot be sure. Therefore to be prepared I propose that we keep the Cheng'Fung as a standing defense force of Xin. It is costly to keep them standing but if another Horde comes we will not be caught unawares and they will be there to stop them."

 

[Terrance888]

In Nogaia the long awaited war have finally erupted. While the Fisofi were sieging Fula, Yakot and Patu have gone on the attack, quickly gaining many new slaves – and with the new contact with Xin, these slaves had a whole new market to be sold as Xin ships arrived and traded (in fact these were of Wanju origin at first). The Fisofi, noticing they were losing men and lands in the north and west had to rush to those battlefronts, allowing Fula, with the support from Yakot, to take back their lands and even more than that. But that was not enough. In a single day the entire Fisofi trained military was destroyed on the three fronts, and their battle lines begun to collapse. Finally – The Kele is victorious in all fronts, and the Fisofi are on the run.

From Karos and King and Other Assorted Titles of Yakot
To his friends, the Monarchs of Fula and Patu

Victory over the Fisofi animals has never tasted so sweet! With new trading partners and plenty of Kele to sell, it is time to discuss the future of our island and our culture.

In the ancient times, dozens of towns dotted the island. Today, we three city states dominate, having both destroyed the Fisofi and crushed the Kele under the might of our respective Degate. I propose that we establish a new city state under our combined dominion known as Fikele, to be placed in the high cliffs of the western Fisofi Mountains and Coasts. This city will oversee the mining of the mountains and the permanent subjugation of the Fisofi for the rest of time.

Fikele shall be run by a council of ten. First and foremost shall be us three, the Monarchs of the Nogaia and our combined efforts to maintain the city shall symbolize the new unity of our people. The second shall be appointed councilmen from each of us, who shall represent us while we rule our own cities. The last rank shall be an appointment by our various Dega Councils. The second and third ranks shall form a permanent, rotating Fikele council combined with a single Dega Councilor chosen by the citizens of Fikele.
3-Kings
3-Royal Appointments
3-Degate Appointments
1-Local Appointment

 

[spaceman98]

Are the stats on the front page the correct ones?

 

[Patchy]

To the League:

Now that we have voted on the decision we must enforce it. I ask that you send your army and the Cheng'Fung to escort whoever chooses exile to the far north.

To the Harhana:

You have been defeated, there is no way that you can stand against all of Xin when we have unified to stop you. But we are not merciless, we give your people two choices: come to Xian and join civilized society and you will be pardoned, cling to your old ways and you will be exiled to the far north and never allowed to return. This is the only chance that we give you to avoid complete destruction, continue to fight us and we will make sure none of you remain. You have seen the strength of our warriors, especially the Cheng'Fung, and you know that you stand no chance.

 

[Terrance888]

From Karos and King and Other Assorted Titles of Yakot
To his friends, the Monarchs of Fula and Patu

Victory over the Fisofi animals has never tasted so sweet! With new trading partners and plenty of Kele to sell, it is time to discuss the future of our island and our culture.

In the ancient times, dozens of towns dotted the island. Today, we three city states dominate, having both destroyed the Fisofi and crushed the Kele under the might of our respective Degate. I propose that we establish a new city state under our combined dominion known as Fikele, to be placed in the high cliffs of the western Fisofi Mountains and Coasts. This city will oversee the mining of the mountains and the permanent subjugation of the Fisofi for the rest of time.

Fikele shall be run by a council of ten. First and foremost shall be us three, the Monarchs of the Nogaia and our combined efforts to maintain the city shall symbolize the new unity of our people. The second shall be appointed councilmen from each of us, who shall represent us while we rule our own cities. The last rank shall be an appointment by our various Dega Councils. The second and third ranks shall form a permanent, rotating Fikele council combined with a single Dega Councilor chosen by the citizens of Fikele.
3-Kings
3-Royal Appointments
3-Degate Appointments
1-Local Appointment

Bumptiy.

 

[erez87]

From Karos and King and Other Assorted Titles of Yakot
To his friends, the Monarchs of Fula and Patu

Victory over the Fisofi animals has never tasted so sweet! With new trading partners and plenty of Kele to sell, it is time to discuss the future of our island and our culture.

In the ancient times, dozens of towns dotted the island. Today, we three city states dominate, having both destroyed the Fisofi and crushed the Kele under the might of our respective Degate. I propose that we establish a new city state under our combined dominion known as Fikele, to be placed in the high cliffs of the western Fisofi Mountains and Coasts. This city will oversee the mining of the mountains and the permanent subjugation of the Fisofi for the rest of time.

Fikele shall be run by a council of ten. First and foremost shall be us three, the Monarchs of the Nogaia and our combined efforts to maintain the city shall symbolize the new unity of our people. The second shall be appointed councilmen from each of us, who shall represent us while we rule our own cities. The last rank shall be an appointment by our various Dega Councils. The second and third ranks shall form a permanent, rotating Fikele council combined with a single Dega Councilor chosen by the citizens of Fikele.
3-Kings
3-Royal Appointments
3-Degate Appointments
1-Local Appointment

from Fula:
The idea is interesting, but we must ask, who will live in the new city?

from Patu:
We will send settlers.

To the League:

Now that we have voted on the decision we must enforce it. I ask that you send your army and the Cheng'Fung to escort whoever chooses exile to the far north.

To the Harhana:

You have been defeated, there is no way that you can stand against all of Xin when we have unified to stop you. But we are not merciless, we give your people two choices: come to Xian and join civilized society and you will be pardoned, cling to your old ways and you will be exiled to the far north and never allowed to return. This is the only chance that we give you to avoid complete destruction, continue to fight us and we will make sure none of you remain. You have seen the strength of our warriors, especially the Cheng'Fung, and you know that you stand no chance.

from league members:
Most of us do not believe in the Oracle's words, and so we do not mind destroying the Harhana completely. But for now, it is you who leads us, and it is your decisions that will be taken.

from some warrior princes of Harhana:
Lies! Our forces are still powerful, we can still destroy you. We shall fall upon Xian like a shadow falls upon the earth when the sun disappears.

from some settled Harhana:
We have been defeated, we will no longer attack you. Our settlements will remain peaceful and we shall pay tax to any city of yours that lays its claim upon us. But we will not move to another land.

from other settled Harhana:
Finally! Free from those warmongering fools! We will happily flock to your cities and settle in the civilized world, we will be honored.

Are the stats on the front page the correct ones?

They should be, do they seem to have a problem?

 

[Terrance888]

To Fula

An equal amount of volunteers from each of us. And probably 1EP of funding each. The first years would most likely focus on processing the local Fisofi into Keledom- I can see many Kelete (slave masters/catchers) volunteers.


To Patu

Excellent, we will match your commitment and hope that you can put forward 1EP into stabilizing the region/building the city after we finish crushing the Fisofi together. With 3EP funding, three armies, and volunteers striving to maintain the fisofi in their rightful Keledom, we can dominate Nogaia for the Degate forever.

 

[Arrow Gamer]

What did I roll on my conquering?

 

[SamSniped]

Just trying to get an estimate on things; when do orders lock?

 

[erez87]

What did I roll on my conquering?

I don't roll for stuff. I role play the way I think best fits the reality of the game. Of course that I take into account army size and all, you just fought a bigger (an entire island filled with semi-civilized tribes) army

Let it be a last warning - do not over expand. You play a rather small city-state in the entire world. Does any of you really think a single small city-state in the early bronze age can conquer an entire land by themselves?

to Yakot:
from Fula:
Sadly our population is small enough as it is. We will help forming the city (1ep from us) but we will not send settlers, only volunteers if such wish to come.

from Patu:
we shall save 2ep for the new city, and will bring enough settlers to help any problems the lack of people from Fula might cause.

Samsniped:
I think wednesday was what I said. I could push it friday if it would help.

 

[Arrow Gamer]

Really? That seems kind've... Prejudiced.

I was conquering in order to make life better for my people and you screw me over? That's ridiculous! This is all your opinions! Absolutely everything is determined by you? That is really, really unbelievable.

 

[SamSniped]

That would help a lot. Just remember that I'm EST, I've been screwed over by a certain Aussie GM who forgot that once

 

[Tycho]

I'll get orders in sometime soon, been a busy week or so.

 

[Eltain]

Really? That seems kind've... Prejudiced.

I was conquering in order to make life better for my people and you screw me over? That's ridiculous! This is all your opinions! Absolutely everything is determined by you? That is really, really unbelievable.

Don't be ridiculous, Arrow Gamer. Just because his game is different from yours or from EQ's or from Terrance's or whomever's, doesn't make it any less valid. You don't have to play if you don't like his system. It's his universe, his game.

He said he takes into account planning and army sizes and quality. Not everything is dice rolls in real life, if barely anything.

Romans vs britains? Who is going to win off the bat, the Roman army in unfamiliar territory, or an island full of tribesmen crazed about the people from across the narrow sea? The brits initially, right? *dice roll* noplol 4,000 legionaries defeated an island of warrior-people.

 

[Lord_Herobrine]

Really? That seems kind've... Prejudiced.

I was conquering in order to make life better for my people and you screw me over? That's ridiculous! This is all your opinions! Absolutely everything is determined by you? That is really, really unbelievable.

I don't think it is that prejudiced. If erez was playing a city state of his own and was using this system, then yeah it would be. Since he is not, I dont see much of anything wrong with role-playing it. Besides, thinking about the battle occuring inside your head would allow for a much wider range of possibilities in battles than just RNG would. It should also allow him to write an indepth narrative of important battles if he deems as it was happening inside his head.

 

[Terrance888]

MODERATOR FIAT FTW.

But seriously, take account of what is going on and adapt. We're playing more a "City States" NES more than a "Early Civilization" NES. Most of early Roman "Conquests" are actually "allied" (vassalized) city states because they can't maintain the bureaocracy for actual integration. It took the Social War for them to bully up the costs to run other cities. Same thing here with the establishment of Fikele- the rough mountains would be a continual problem if we three cities tried to control it from afar. Establish a new, subservient but independent city allied to us to keep the fort down.

To Fula

Completely understandable. We hope that securing the mines crucial to your jewlery industry will aid you well. Of course, let us not count the pearls before the oysters are dried- we must finish off the Fisofi first.


To Patu

Thank you for understanding. Fikele shall stand as a testament for this decade, where the Nogaia united against a great threat, and shared the profits among us. We shall seek to match your commitment (2EP, 2 Shares of People to your 2 and Fula's 1.)

 

[erez87]

Actually Fikele has real world copies, Rhodes comes to mind (created by other 3 cities on the island, eventually takes over as capital of the island).

I don't do dice and rolls, I don't like over extensive rules for how much power a military unit has. I actually dislike it. Yes I decide what happens during an update, you decide what your people think happened (you can tell you people you won) and what you plan to do. You don't get to decide if you succeed by making sure your forces have enough "power" to them. Dice wise America always beats Vietnam. Dice wise Persia conquers Greece.

No dice here. My mind is. You don't agree? Acceptable - show me an early bronze civilization that conquered an entire land the size of Sicily with an army of less than 1000 men and I will happily reconsider my results - and my entire thinking on the subject.

And yes people - you are tiny developing city states, perhaps the map should have been more centralized around a small area (like Greece, but nah) to give you the feeling, and as I told terrance - I even considered deleting civ colors and leaving only cities since that is what you currently play. Terrance gave the rome+allies - I remind you Rome was an Iron Age empire and that we are in the early bronze. Think Sumerian city states - disunited, many, barbarians hordes constantly invading your homelands - succeeding, but your culture survives. Well that last part isn't a must. Think pre-unification Egypt (yes, almost nonexistent).

 

[Arrow Gamer]

Not exactly early bronze, more like late, but it is said Mithridates conquered Pontus with five men.

But whatever. The thing that annoys me is how mad you had my people get over the conquering. It really got me mad.

You know what? I've been stressed over school and my NES is a lot if work, so just forget what I said. Please?

 

[erez87]

Not exactly early bronze, more like late, but it is said Mithridates conquered Pontus with five men.

But whatever. The thing that annoys me is how mad you had my people get over the conquering. It really got me mad.

You know what? I've been stressed over school and my NES is a lot if work, so just forget what I said. Please?

Ah. They aren't that mad. They just don't want to be sent conquering endless wilderness for no reason. If you want expansion at this era, you can try colonies, but do note that they will start tiny, and may just become free city-states as soon as they grow (albeit, nicer to you than the ones I make).

It's Ok . I know I am not the perfect MOD, and I know I might have gone a bit too far with throwing barbarian hordes at players (thou you got none, you lucky islander) but that's kind of my style. In 2 updates things will ease down after a major cataclysm and things will go better. Expansion will more allowed, but not occupying all of Europe with a city state