ParadigmShifter
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Belief in God was probably something which had an evolutionary advantage,
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GhostWriter16
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Why though if he's not real?
Just for curiosity, since you are a Mathematician, what are the odds that there is a God?
I skip the Math and say 101%
ParadigmShifter
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The odds are > 0%
GhostWriter16
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Ziggy Stardust
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No. It isn't.
No, belief in the supernatural. God is just an extension of that. If we were to find an uncontacted tribe that believed in god in the same sense as the Israelites did, well then I'd really have to stop and think.
ParadigmShifter
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Yeah, that's what I meant to say.
GhostWriter16
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I doubt you will. However, there are many flood legends. Granted, they were changed a lot, but how in the WORLD did they come out so similar?
I doubt God had really revealed himself enough at that point for everyone to get it right. But, I would consider polytheism ultimately a perversion of monotheism. I believe the myths originally came from real things. I just think they were changed a lot (The Hercules myth could well have come from Sampson.)
What makes you think that the legend of Heracles has anything to do with Sampson or that perhaps the story of Sampson wasn't inspired by that of Herakles?
Rebelling from the accepted norm doesn't prove the existence of said norm. If it did, creationists who convince themselves that evolution doesn't happen have thus proved the existence of evolution.
Rebelling from the accepted norm doesn't prove the existence of said norm. If it did, creationists who convince themselves that evolution doesn't happen have thus proved the existence of evolution.
GhostWriter16
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Just curious, but do you even believe Sampson existed?
Also, Sampson supposedly came first, so its unlikely Hercules came first.
That doesn't MEAN Hercules came from Sampson either, but it definitely seems to add up that it did.
I don't really understand what this means...
I have no opinion of whether or not Samson existed (my mistake as well; there's no P). Unless you have a dating both for Samson and Heracles, you can't say which came first. Hercules as the Roman name definitely came later.
If atheists rejecting the existence of God proves God's existence, creationists rejecting the validity of evolution likewise prove the theory.
If atheists rejecting the existence of God proves God's existence, creationists rejecting the validity of evolution likewise prove the theory.
GhostWriter16
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You are right, there's no P. Stupid me
Hercules supposedly existed during the Judges period. While we don't know for sure, it is popular belief that Samuel wrote it. That would have been in 1,000 BC about (I could be anywhere up to 100 years off here, and I think it was actually before 1,000 BC, but whatever.)
The Troy War happened, supposedly (I think the war probably happened but Hercules definitely wasn't in it) in 850 BC I think. That was after Judges was WRITTEN.
I meant the fact that everyone basically believes in God by default, and has to make a choice not to believe.
The date for the theoretical Trojan War, based on the existence of the Mykenaian political system, was almost certainly not later than 1100 BC; the usual dates given are somewhere in the range of 1250-1150 BC. It's irrelevant to the Herakles myth, of course, because the two were only necessarily connected to each other around the time when Greeks actually started to write this janx down, in the ninth and eighth centuries BC, at which time they didn't have regular contact with the Levant, so it's kind of silly to posit any connection.
civver_764
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Most people in history also believed that the earth was flat, that slavery was ok, that racism was right, that women were inferior to men, that medicine was evil, ETC
Most people in history were quite ********, frankly.
1. Take microevolution.
2. Apply over 4 billion years.
3. Get macroevolution.
4. ????
5. Profit!
Actually, Creationists are what prove to me that the Christian faith is false.
GhostWriter16
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Which we PROVED wrong, and its different. If God is real, then he probably put that spark in us that makes us likely to believe in God (It actually talks about this in the Bible.)
ALL of these things were opinions. Granted, rather stupid opinions. But still opinions. You can't really prove them wrong...
I would be more likely to say it was more like how their time was. I think most would NOT have the same beliefs if they lived in the present, and as much as I hate to admit it, most of us WOULD have had similar beliefs if that was how we had been raised.
Which is proven.
2 Assumptions here:
1. That Microevolution MEANS macroevolution. How do you know microevolution isn't the limit?
2. You assume you know how old Earth is. You may be right, but how old it looks could have been caused via worldwide flood.
See above. That's an assumption.
@El Mac- Do you mean Young Earth Creationism? Because if you think you can say "There is proof that there is no God who created the Earth SOMEHOW", then your thinking is flawed on this issue.
Because in the lab, applying the idea of microevolution, I can turn one strain of bacteria into a completely new strain within my life time -- something that is by all definitions macroevolution. The terms "micro" and "macro" evolution are applications of time, nothing more. To use them as difference concepts is like saying years and decades don't measure time, or that years don't add up to form decades.
GhostWriter16
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Ah, I confused when they wrote it to when it supposedly happened. You were right and I was wrong.
Yeah, we can clone stuff too (Or very nearly can) yet that will never happen naturally.
Murky
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Being religious has a lot of advantages. If you are part of society in which the majority practices religion then joining in will make life easier. You'll have more options when it comes to social activities and dating. You will have more support when you try to run for public office. You'll have more friends that you can count on to get you out of a tight spot. So yes, there are definitely selective advantages to believing (or pretending to) in whatever the majority of the people around claim to believe in. Religion typically also encourages social engagement, marriage and having children. In evolution, those who procreate the most win dominance.
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