Evidence for creationism

[ParadigmShifter]

Surely chalk cliffs made from dead micro-organisms accumulated over however many years disproves YEC.

TF, you missed out the "evolve, but whatever you do, don't be gay" bit when God was breathing life into the microbes.

 

[Gustave5436]

It all comes down to the matter of faith, either
Life created the universe or
Universe created life.

Technically, the first option is "life created the universe, which then created life."

So, by Occam's razor, the hypothetical creators are superfluous. In the absence of any evidence for their existence, they are cut out of consideration.

 

[Ajidica]

Convince me that he exists in the first place.

Where did the matter in the big bang come from?

 

[Cu Chulainn]

Creation in general, Two things that all physical life known to man has, water and ATP synthesis. There are no known exceptions in the physical world. They are still learning just how complex these machines really are, rotary motors, coupling rods, pistons,etc.

In what way does this provide evidence for creationism?

 

[civver_764]

Where did the matter in the big bang come from?

No one knows. Saying a God put it there doesn't answer anything unless you actually have a reason to believe a God put it there.

 

[Perfection]

Perfection isn't gonna be happy

He is the dude who tries to KO creationism usually.

Yeah, step off my turf..

 

[Smidlee]

Technically, the first option is "life created the universe, which then created life."

So, by Occam's razor, the hypothetical creators are superfluous. In the absence of any evidence for their existence, they are cut out of consideration.

Occam's razor can't help you here. You basicly believe the second option that "Universe created life" then decide in your heart the first is not needed.
Occam's Ravor nor science nor man nor religion nor your family can decided which path of faith you choose to believe. You stand on your own no matter which option you choose.

As far as science (which OR applies) , The only evidence we got in what we see in the present. In the present life only comes from life. So far scientist have found no exception.

 

[Bill3000]

Where did the matter in the big bang come from?

Particle-antiparticle creation from radiation. For example, electrons and positrons can be created from high enough energetic photons - their creation and destruction happen all the time on the virtual scale and it can happen on the real scale too. In the very early part of the universe, the average kinetic energy was extremely large - large enough for this to be an extremely common occurrence. This happened after the big bang. This creation was asymmetric and eventually only matter remained as the antimatter was annihilated. The relevant energy came from the decay of the vacuum from a false vacuum, the phase transition of the universe called cosmic inflation. This is elementary cosmological physics, dude - don't simplify God to one of the gaps - that is no different from a pagan god in which you declare lightning to be caused by the gods simply because you don't understand it.

 

[Ajidica]

Okay, I yield. My knowledge of astrophysics is not good.

 

[civver_764]

Mine isn't either but that's still no reason for me to be a deist

 

[Berzerker]

a dark, water covered world meets the creator and

there was light

what was this "Light"? God called it, "Day" and the darkness, "night".

Day and night = spinning body close to a star

The act of creation gave the world it's spin, and a closer proximity to the Sun.

Is there evidence the Earth (or proto-Earth) was struck in the distant past by an object large enough to alter the Earth's orbit characteristics? Yup...

 

[Birdjaguar]

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[Xanikk999]

There is no evidence for creationism. Using the bible as evidence makes about as much sense as some crazy nut-job using the Lord of the Rings novel to explain the past.

Its useless arguing with a creationist. He will discount any scientific evidence used against him and point to that evidence as "God's work". A creationist can just say god planted dinosaur bones in the ground to test us.

 

[warpus]

If there was evidence for creationism, there would likely also be a creationist scientific theory.. there isn't though.

 

[Cu Chulainn]

The only evidence we got in what we see in the present. In the present life only comes from life. So far scientist have found no exception.

That's just an argument from ignorance that does nothing to prove creationism.

 

[History_Buff]

Convince me that God couldnt create organisms capable of evolution. Why couldnt he?

But couldn't he have breathed the first bits of life into the microbes that would eventually evolve into what the world is now, over countless years?

If we accept that he exists (which I do not concede), then he, as an omnipotent being, absolutely could have. But there is absolutely no evidence to indicate that he did, so why would we assume that to have been the case?

 

[Agent327]

Occam's razor can't help you here. You basicly believe the second option that "Universe created life" then decide in your heart the first is not needed.
Occam's Ravor nor science nor man nor religion nor your family can decided which path of faith you choose to believe. You stand on your own no matter which option you choose.

As far as science (which OR applies) , The only evidence we got in what we see in the present. In the present life only comes from life. So far scientist have found no exception.

That´s incorrect. for a very long time Earth wasn´t teeming with life, and at some point it started - that´s what science agrees upon. Plus that creationism, unlike evolution, isn´t a scientific theory; it´s falsifiable rather than verifiable.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It all comes down to the matter of faith

As far as science (which OR applies) , The only evidence we got in what we see in the present. In the present life only comes from life. So far scientist have found no exception.

These are rather refreshingly honest

Couldn't care whether people believe in the one thing or the other. As long as schools don't teach Creationism as a scientific theory, and the Big Bang as a proven concept. Evidence, sure, proof, not yet.

 

[El_Machinae]

Convince me that God couldnt create organisms capable of evolution. Why couldnt he?

Here you go.

Such as that God is cruel, since if he used evolution, then all we have is a record of death and suffering, certainly not the God of Love that the Bible record, that tells us that God sent his Son to die for our sins and pay the penalty for our sins, which is death, which is how death and suffering came to earth, by one man's sin. Take away that man and the you have no reason why Jesus should have even come to earth, since he died because of some mythological person,according to the bible, brought in the death and suffering. That was what God told Adam would be the result if he ate the fruit and Paul use the imagery Adam showing how he brought sin into the world and compared to what Jesus did, by the fact that he brought Salvation to men.
1 Corinthians 15:22,26 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

But if God used evolution, then he had to have used death, since that is what the fossil record shows, a scale of death, not an enemy according to the Bible but as something that is meant to be.

Now convince me that the Devil couldn't heal a few lepers, in order to generate avid followers of a lie

 

[GhostWriter16]

Convince me that he exists in the first place.

We are here. And most people in history have believed in God. Most people who are atheists have NOT been that way all our lives. The reason being because we have to convince ourself there is no God.

That is proof enough of God. Doesn't disprove evolution, but proves God. I'll let Classical_hero disprove evolution, he's better at it then me

However, I will comment that evolution has NEVER been observed. Except for microevolution, but that I believe in.