Where is life supposed to get its energy from without the weak nuclear force?
The weak nuclear force is very necessary for life (at least for life as we know it).
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Where is life supposed to get its energy from without the weak nuclear force?
The weak nuclear force is very necessary for life (at least for life as we know it).
Well, that's a different argument. You're saying that there are 'other potential rules where life could thrive'. Yeah, that's true. But there are still many 'other potential rules that would prevent life'.
edit: x-post.
Bill3000 might have been thinking of something like this
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=looking-for-life-in-the-multiverse
Akka
Moody old mage.
That's the most atonishing thing about psychological defenses : the ability to selectively hamper thought process, and to twist it so that it conforms with what the person WANTS to believe.
It's why there is otherwise very intelligent persons actually supporting completely whacky/stupid/wrong ideas.
And it's why there is a scientific method, to try to filter and minimize the influence of wishful thinking and get to the highest objectivity ratio possible.
Now, if you're talking about "consistent tought process", yes there is quite a huge negative correlation with Creationism. You'll see people who can have very solid, methodical takes and processes about many subjects (for example someone well-versed in economics or computer programming, able to detect flaws and inconsistencies in both), who have all this analytic mind just vanish as soon as it comes to his Creationist beliefs, where he just switch gears and suddendly accept as proved and as rock-solid, the most flimsy, stretched and ridiculous notions and theories.
Though to be fair, such inconsistency is FAR from being exclusive to them. Most people have it, at one level or another.
Ziggy Stardust
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That's not a counter, since I said, underlined and italized the word "danger". As in, it's not a certainty, but there is a danger that people believe they don't have to search for answers since they are told those answers are already known and are to be accepted on faith.
Your case was: come back when science has answered all the questions. Which I found silly when religion doesn't answer all the questions either (as you rightfully said, there is a quest for truth).
What is arguable about that that science should never think it has the right answer, but the point is to remain skeptical of all answers given. Whereas in religion faith is promoted over doubt in certain key aspects.
For instance, can you be sceptical of Jesus' resurrection?
What?
I feel it's both unfair to you and I. How is that not fair? The difference is I try not to return the favour by trying to belittle 'the other side'.
No it isn't.
That was a compliment
It's impossible to never be a hypocrite, the best you can demand of yourself is to try to be one. I figured you be the type of guy who would agree with me on that.
If dealing with it, means to you complaining about it while dishing it out yourself ...
I, like you, also believe in other life forms not governed by our known laws of physics. I believe Life created the universe. Of course this is beyond science which is limited by our knowledge of the physical world.
(the first statement did say "KNOWN" physical life.)
Even scientist that believes universe created life believes in other life forms that has never seen or known to man before.
Cu Chulainn
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Where did this life that created the universe come from?
Being limited by "our knowledge of the physical world" means science is limited to "stuff that is demonstrably real". What on earth could possibly be wrong with that?
ParadigmShifter
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There are known unknowns though, as a great philosopher once said.
There is more to life than science. Science is not my religion.
ParadigmShifter
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Well that's lucky, since science isn't a religion.
Murky
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Christiaan Huygens : "The world is my country, science is my religion."
In the name of the Strong Nuclear Force, the Electroweak Force, Gravity, amen. *crosses chest*
the problem with this video like most of these computer programs is when it comes to odds a lot of time the best fit doesn't survive and/or are not obvious at first . This is why some scientist have noted random events seems to make natural selection to have very little if any effect.
If you saw the movie "21" then you know how random events will hide the "fittest" in the crowd. The smart players that learn how to beat the odds said they were in the red for 9 months.(a computer program would see them unfit and remove them) That's because even if you have a 1% advantage you still have 49.5% chance of losing and at times they lost big. In order to use 1% advantage for a real solid advantage will require long term management. Risk management is how some make their money in the stock market. You may lose here and there but with planning (something natural selection can't do) you can eventually come out ahead just like those who learn how to beat the house.
ParadigmShifter
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Well it's a simplification of course (the video).
It would be easy to add random death to the simulation, but eventually the same mutation would crop up again and will survive the odds.
Of course, the whole "species" could die out but it's like that in nature anyway.
It would be easy to add random death to the simulation, but eventually the same mutation would crop up again and will survive the odds.
Of course, the whole "species" could die out but it's like that in nature anyway.
There are people who claim that football is their religion. Whenever people dismiss science as a religion, they're almost ertainly not calling it a fanatical obsession, but attempting to make it somehow "equal" to creationism.
ParadigmShifter
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Well, Goodison Park is Liverpool's 3rd Cathedral 
EDIT: And not because it is quiet!!!! It's noisy.
EDIT: And not because it is quiet!!!! It's noisy.
As a biologist, I don't voice my opinion on string theory -- I'm hardly qualified to do that. I really wish they'd return the favour and not just assume they understand what they're talking about. You have no idea the arrogance some physics / chemistry types have towards biology. XKCD did a comic once...
It's incredibility frustrating. Knowledge of one field does not translate into another. It's as if a physicist started lecturing a mechanic about how engines run, based on how energy is released during combustion.
Answer's simple: time scale.
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The scientific method is the most accurate and reliable means of understanding the universe that has ever been created by man. Religion is nothing more than ancient fandom.
ParadigmShifter
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Apart from LSD, man.
As a biologist, I don't voice my opinion on string theory -- I'm hardly qualified to do that. I really wish they'd return the favour and not just assume they understand what they're talking about. You have no idea the arrogance some physics / chemistry types have towards biology. XKCD did a comic once...
It's incredibility frustrating. Knowledge of one field does not translate into another. It's as if a physicist started lecturing a mechanic about how engines run, based on how energy is released during combustion.
Answer's simple: time scale.
time itself is not enough, it take planning to come out ahead.
As far as only the "IN" group are the only ones who are allowed to comment on the subject ,this is nothing but a cult.
ParadigmShifter
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A cult which is open to all if you study the field in depth...
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