Examining the Golden Dawn party

[Tee Kay]

who would want to immigrate to Greece

You can still earn more in Greece than in, say, Sudan. And some use Greece as a stepping stone into other EU countries.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

I know I was just joking, several people that are from Sudan and Palestine live in my hometown. Any European country is better than any Sub-Saharan African.

 

[Masada]

'strawmen are fine' at any rate with you

You admitted it, therefore it isn't a strawman.

This thread has exactly as a reason to exist this issue, to try to establish what Golden Dawn is.

You aren't interested in discussing what Golden Dawn is or is not, just minimizing its distasteful aspects to save Greek face.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hold your hippoi* Contrary to you i am not supposing that this little debate on a forum will play any part on who loses what face or not. It would have been a lot easier to just shy away from discussing this issue at all, but i wanted to examine how gd got its reputation. Your own videos are ridiculous as means of establishing that, for reasons i reffered to. If all "proof" that gd is neo-nazi rests on such videos then there is no such proof around.
As for fascist: why not just call them nationalist, which they themselves name their party as?

But i think it is pretty useless debating it with you, since you project your own agenda onto me, and whereas you seem to be the one who wants to simply pass a point across no matter if there is evidence or not, try to argue that the other person is the one with the hidden meaning behind his actions.


*greek for horses

 

[Masada]

Contrary to you i am not supposing that this little debate on a forum will play any part on who loses what face or not.

I don't care a wit about Greece's reputation. It's awful enough without help from the likes of me. Is that deserved? I don't know and as I've said: I don't much care. Buuuut I am amused that a Greek could minimize something so obviously awful to seemingly make his nation look somewhat better to an international audience. Hint: it isn't working. But I am curious as to the agenda I'm supposed to have.

And I don't see a point in responding to the rest: talking to a horse is the height of foolishness.

 

[Leoreth]

And I don't see a point in responding to the rest: talking to a horse hippos is the height of foolishness.

Such a missed opportunity

 

[Kyriakos]

Yes, i am here to defend Greece to an international audience. Unlike you i am not so immature, or rather- silly. Like i said: projection goes a long way.

Anyway, at least i am finding benefit in filling up a list

 

[Traitorfish]

As for fascist: why not just call them nationalist, which they themselves name their party as?

The obvious answer is because "nationalist" is hopelessly ambiguous. The Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru are "nationalist", and liberal social democrats, which I'm not lead to believe is true of the Golden Dawn.

At any rate, the fact that they're fascists (if only in the small-f sense) is pretty self-evident from their militantly xenophobic indigenism, their militarism, and their palingenesis-fixation. Most European far-right parties only tick the first box, and occasionally the second, so the hat-trick is worthy of note. Say what you like about the neo-Loyalist scumbags in the BNP, they don't actually go around demanding a "new Saxon Nordicism".

 

[aelf]

I guess, but semiologically there is a great difference, which was used in the media reporting of them. It would have been different if they were presented as a sort of Greek BNP, rather than a neo-nazi party. By this i mean that the neo-nazi accusation may have been used by some so as to further push this country in the periphery of Europe, which is what i am reacting to.

The BNP has also been represented as fascists. Are fascists not the functional equivalent of Nazis in the popular view?

Also, in before the self-requested lock.