Far-Right Ideology in the 21st Century

[Zardnaar]

I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a Fascist. In fact, I call very few people Fascists (except obvious historical Fascists and modern political figures who all but self-identify as such except in name). And I didn't call you a Fascist but a Fascist-sympathizer. The two are actually different. Also, if I had lived in the U.S. in 2016, I would have voted for Rocky De La Fuante, despite knowing it would be a protest throwaway vote, because everyone else on the ballot at all was either a horrid monster and/or utterly incompetent. Also, you calling Trump a "straight-shooter" several posts up makes me think that you and a lot of other people in the world today must be referring to an alternate universe Donald Trump who is completely different when they discuss him rather than the man who is currently in the White House.

Straightvshootervas in blunt talker. He's full of crap but people get sick of PC think and talk.

Out in the real world factories, farms, ports, construction sites etc people talk like Trump. Hell the union movement is an example. They might not be as blunt as Trump but they're crude, swear,ake off colour jokes etc.

It's what people act like in the real world.
On the quiet people tell you what they think, broadly speaking they buy into left wing economics but other stuff not so much.

A lot don't care about gay mattiage or whatever but they don't want to see a gay pride parade either. Or have their kids see it on TV. They don't tend to care to much if their friends are gay, or if the kids turn out gay later on.


Same thin with trams rights. If some wants to call themselves whatever so what but what about trans women competing in female sports. Or pre op ones on hormone competing in female sports.

Now we're getting things like gender reveal parties being called discriminatory, or be called a transphobe if you don't want to date a trans person pre or post op. Even something simple like wanting the option of having children gets you called transphobe.

People aren't buying the gender fluid thing either. They don't care to much what you do in your personal life, they do care when things start getting carried away.

This is why things are hot button topics I suppose.

Im fine with gay marriage, trans rights, sane immigration, abortions and most things the old working class left believes in. I draw the line on some things though.

Social media makes things worse since people like playing gotcha, and the block people who disagree with them which leads to echo chambers.

Right or left if you adopt fairly extreme positions aka click bait people will pay attention.

 

[Patine]

Straightvshootervas in blunt talker. He's full of crap but people get sick of PC think and talk.

Out in the real world factories, farms, ports, construction sites etc people talk like Trump. Hell the union movement is an example. They might not be as blunt as Trump but they're crude, swear,ake off colour jokes etc.

It's what people act like in the real world.

Great logic there. Don't raise the conversation to respectable, productive, rational, and educated levesl where discourse and solutions can be made to actually deal with and solve the problems plaguing us. Instead, dumb down the leadership and dialogue to match the dumbing down of the average population. We'll devolve back to apes in no time.

 

[Zardnaar]

Great logic there. Don't raise the conversation to respectable, productive, rational, and educated levesl where discourse and solutions can be made to actually deal with and solve the problems plaguing us. Instead, dumb down the leadership and dialogue to match the dumbing down of the average population. We'll devolve back to apes in no time.

People tend to vote with their hearts. And disagree.

Far left and right are both minorities. Both are angry because the world doesn't function according to their screwed up world view.

 

[Patine]

People tend to vote with their hearts. And disagree.

Far left and right are both minorities. Both are angry because the world doesn't function according to their screwed up world view.

Well, thank-you, Dr. Phil, but you obviously are as without ideas or proposals that are in any way, shape, or form productive as the far-right and -left.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well, thank-you, Dr. Phil, but you obviously are as without ideas or proposals that are in any way, shape, or form productive as the far-right and -left.

My ideas are to make things easier for everyone that's not in the to 1% or 30%. Broadly a peaking that's Keynes Ian economics, regulation and breaking up some corporations.

I don't buy into the rights trickle down approach or the green new deal/diversity at all cost approach.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Far right ideology now is basically the dying gasp of a villain consumed by hatred and fury. They know they've lost; their ideas have failed, time has left them behind and the only thing left is delusion. But it's also the most dangerous time since they have nothing to lose and will have no qualm dragging everyone else down with them. I don't know have any answers, but the goal should be to move out while they collapse in their own self destruction. Just pray the violence doesn't get out of hand.

Basically

 

[Patine]

My ideas are to make things easier for everyone that's not in the to 1% or 30%. Broadly a peaking that's Keynes Ian economics, regulation and breaking up some corporations.

I don't buy into the rights trickle down approach or the green new deal/diversity at all cost approach.

While I don't believe in some of the more extreme "diversity at all costs" ideals, you seem to believe many demographics who have long been downtrodden, mistreated, ignored, or even oppressed can just be safely ignored, and that considering ANY sort of equitable policies to protect them from ongoing prejudice, exploitation, and abuse at all is 'counter-productive pandering to special interests." How is that anything but a Patriarchal Homophobic Racist Intolerant of Non-Western Christian Culture who just acts by passive lack of action and not giving a damn while the those who already have the power to actively upon said prejudices freely do because their current power, at this point, disproportionately still outweighs those they can freely exploit, abuse, and marginalize - support of such things by omission rather than commission.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Funny no one laughed.

How do you know? Also, so what? Being a dick for no reason is your thing is it?

 

[Patine]

How do you know? Also, so what? Being a dick for no reason is your thing is it?

Actually, my spite and bile is fairly tame compared to many on these forums. Present company seemingly included. Time to look in a mirror.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Actually, my spite and bile is fairly tame compared to many on these forums. Present company seemingly included. Time to look in a mirror.

So you think even mild spite and bile is an appropriate response to me making the suggestion that the word "ideology" might derive from the word "left", simply as a joke explanation to make sense of what EnglishEdward said? I'd be interested to know how you managed to derive any offence from that.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

So you think even mild spite and bile is an appropriate response to me making the suggestion that the word "ideology" might derive from the word "left", simply as a joke explanation to make sense of what EnglishEdward said? I'd be interested to know how you managed to derive any offence from that.

Are you ok? Do you need any help

 

[Patine]

So you think even mild spite and bile is an appropriate response to me making the suggestion that the word "ideology" might derive from the word "left", simply as a joke explanation to make sense of what EnglishEdward said? I'd be interested to know how you managed to derive any offence from that.

Any attempt I make to explain or justify my words will almost certainly have a very public attempt to chew them up melodramatically. From previous posts, your squirrel avatar is well-chosen. Thus, I will not continue with this unproductive line of conversation. And you may call me a coward, or defeated, or whatever you wish - I care not.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Are you ok? Do you need any help

Ah the dick train gains an extra carriage.

 

[Traitorfish]

You would think, from all this, that Manfred is the first person in history to make a joke that didn't quite land.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Any attempt I make to explain or justify my words will almost certainly have a very public attempt to chew them up melodramatically. From previous posts, your squirrel avatar is well-chosen. Thus, I will not continue with this unproductive line of conversation. And you may call me a coward, or defeated, or whatever you wish - I care not.

Not a coward or defeated at all. Just perhaps insane. If you want to get spiteful, even fairly tamely spiteful, over an entirely unserious comment about the hypothetical etymology of a word then by all means you can do that if you wish, I just think it indicates some sort of problem that you might want to address.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ah the dick train gains an extra carriage.

I've been very polite to you, could you at least reciprocate that?

 

[Patine]

Not a coward or defeated at all. Just perhaps insane. If you want to get spiteful, even fairly tamely spiteful, over an entirely unserious comment about the hypothetical etymology of a word then by all means you can do that if you wish, I just think it indicates some sort of problem that you might want to address.

Insane? I hope you're not panning on a career in psychiatry. And you obviously don't understand the word - it's obviously just another tool in your flimsy rhetorical box of empty personal attack terms.

 

[Lexicus]

You would think, from all this, that Manfred is the first person in history to make a joke that didn't quite land.

You not laughing at my joke is a form of intolerance
QED, checkmate SJWs

 

[Zardnaar]

While I don't believe in some of the more extreme "diversity at all costs" ideals, you seem to believe many demographics who have long been downtrodden, mistreated, ignored, or even oppressed can just be safely ignored, and that considering ANY sort of equitable policies to protect them from ongoing prejudice, exploitation, and abuse at all is 'counter-productive pandering to special interests." How is that anything but a Patriarchal Homophobic Racist Intolerant of Non-Western Christian Culture who just acts by passive lack of action and not giving a damn while the those who already have the power to actively upon said prejudices freely do because their current power, at this point, disproportionately still outweighs those they can freely exploit, abuse, and marginalize - support of such things by omission rather than commission.

Im not saying you don't help them but in an election you need popular support to carry stuff over the line

Even in NZ which is very Liberal the Maori Party got voted out and they had a race based party.

Now obviously some people are over represented on lower socio economic groups and the government attempts to help them regardless of race. No one cares that certain groups will get disproportionate amount of money. In Alot of cases for example the aid was color blind. For example they rated schools decile 1 (poor) to ten (rich). Decile 1 schools got extra funding. The idea was the higher decile schools can raise more money from their local communities and pld boys network.

Decile 1 schools are ususally in crap City suburbs or depressed towns where Polynesian are over represented. There's kids of other ethnicities at those schools though and helping kids has broad cross party support.

We don't have affirmative action here. In politics Maori are over represented, 23% of parliament about 14% of the population. Lots of white people voted for them.

Even here identity politics just breeds resentment, no one cares if you help the poor or whatever except in terms of neo Liberal tax cuts vs social spending.

NZ used to have one of the most eglatarian nations on Earth then the 1980s happened and the reforms hurt brown people more as a lot of jobs disappeared in rural areas as things like freezing works closed down. They also cut money to training programs and apprenticeship schemes.

30 years later our schools and hospitals can't keep up with pressure from immigration in cities. We can't build houses fast enough so rent and mortgages are sky rocketing and our welfare system can't cope. We own our own house and the mortgage payments are about half what rent is now.

It's why I'm opposed to immigration we can't deal with the problems it's causing as rich foreigners have priced the locals out of houses and even schools. Basically we have a lot of social problems as we went from 4.2 million up to 4.8 in a habful of years and House prices were hitting a million dollars.

 

[Patine]

Im not saying you don't help them but in an election you need popular support to carry stuff over the line

Even in NZ which is very Liberal the Maori Party got voted out and they had a race based party.

Now obviously some people are over represented on lower socio economic groups and the government attempts to help them regardless of race. No one cares that certain groups will get disproportionate amount of money. In Alot of cases for example the aid was color blind. For example they rated schools decile 1 (poor) to ten (rich). Decile 1 schools got extra funding. The idea was the higher decile schools can raise more money from their local communities and pld boys network.

Decile 1 schools are ususally in crap City suburbs or depressed towns where Polynesian are over represented. There's kids of other ethnicities at those schools though and helping kids has broad cross party support.

We don't have affirmative action here. In politics Maori are over represented, 23% of parliament about 14% of the population. Lots of white people voted for them.

Even here identity politics just breeds resentment, no one cares if you help the poor or whatever except in terms of neo Liberal tax cuts vs social spending.

NZ used to have one of the most eglatarian nations on Earth then the 1980s happened and the reforms hurt brown people more as a lot of jobs disappeared in rural areas as things like freezing works closed down. They also cut money to training programs and apprenticeship schemes.

30 years later our schools and hospitals can't keep up with pressure from immigration in cities. We can't build houses fast enough so rent and mortgages are sky rocketing and our welfare system can't cope. We own our own house and the mortgage payments are about half what rent is now.

It's why I'm opposed to immigration we can't deal with the problems it's causing as rich foreigners have priced the locals out of houses and even schools. Basically we have a lot of social problems as we went from 4.2 million up to 4.8 in a habful of years and House prices were hitting a million dollars.

I see the problems New Zealand seems to face. It's just your view of whose to blame and what policies to focus on, and to steer away from, that are completely askew and haywire.