GhostWriter16
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American "Liberals" are the cult of the big brother for the most part. That you think Conservatives and Libertarians worship Big Brother is simply laughable.
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American "Liberals" are the cult of the big brother for the most part. That you think Conservatives and Libertarians worship Big Brother is simply laughable.
Whiskey_Lord
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Clearly liberals are only interested in suppressing as much freedom as possible. That's how they got their name.
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Okay, so which candidate do I have to vote for to get Homestarrunner back?
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It's kind of backward in the USA. Here, the term "liberal" actually refers to the worst kind of authoritarian, and the true conservatives are trying to conserve classical liberalism
civver_764
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The worst kind of authoritarian? Really?
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Yup. They want to tell everyone else where they can smoke, what guns they can own, who they can or can't hire, and so on. They think they can "invest" (translation: gamble with) the taxpayers' money more wisely than the people who got rich by actually making wise investments. The worst part, of course, is that they pretend to do it all to protect you.
Social conservatives just want to teach creationism and ban gay marriage.
civver_764
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Yes because when I think about how bad authoritarianism is these are things that most enrage me.
Huayna Capac357
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How the heck is that "authoritarianism" worse than, say, an actual dictatorship's?
I take the :lol: smiley as an indicator that your subconscious actually realizes what ridiculous nonsense you're spouting here.It's kind of backward in the USA. Here, the term "liberal" actually refers to the worst kind of authoritarian, and the true conservatives are trying to conserve classical liberalism
That's why I haven't said anything, but he seems to be doubling-down on it.
IdiotsOpposite
Boom, headshot.
GhostWriter16
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I haven't even read 1984...
At least in America, "Liberal" does not mean liberal as it was in the past.
It's kind of backward in the USA. Here, the term "liberal" actually refers to the worst kind of authoritarian, and the true conservatives are trying to conserve classical liberalism
Kinda. If you're an actual liberal, you aren't an American liberal. Most classical liberals use some variant of "Libertarian" in the US.
And yeah, this. "The worst kind of authoritarian" is unfair because there are, ya know, actual dictatorships. But those CAN'T exist in a Republic. Somehow, the Democratic Party can.
Yes because when I think about how bad authoritarianism is these are things that most enrage me.
Those things matter a heck of a lot more than gay marriage.
Again, I agree that's hyperbole
Yes. Just.
All of this depends on the social conservative...
Huayna Capac357
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To you. Also, maximum possible liberty is not necessarily a desirable goal in every situation (e.g. gun control, food safety, many of the cases of "authoritarianism" listed above).
GhostWriter16
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I don't consider food safety to be authoritarianc (I mean, if the food was marked by saying "Includes X, Y, and Z toxins then it should be allowed, but nobody is going to do that, and the right to be informed is an absolutely libertarian concept), but gun control absolutely is, and is actually a textbook example of why liberals are more authoritarian than conservatives (Generally speaking) in the US.
Gay marriage "bans" aren't really authoritarian at all, its actually less time being spent by government to recognize a social institution.
I'm not gonna make up crap. The authoritarianism in western democracies is definitely FAR outshone by the Chinas and Irans of the world. Its not even close. The problem is when you say "Life here is far better than there, so if you don't like the government here, go somewhere else." I think that's a really stupid argument, but I do get it often.
useless
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Liberals are more authoritarian?
Do liberals literally want to rob women of their bodily autonomy? deny them contraception? Hold back equality?
Do liberals literally want to rob women of their bodily autonomy? deny them contraception? Hold back equality?
That depends. If they simply ignore it, you'd be right. If they go out of their way to deny its existence, even to legally 'married' gay couples, then they're being both bigoted and authoritarian.
GhostWriter16
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Absolutely.
Abortion does allow killing of female fetuses as well, which takes away their bodily autonomy, don't you think?*
Except for a few Catholics, nobody actually wants to ban contraception (I will laugh if Jehoshua actually finds this thread
))The liberal idea of equality is much like "I love all of you the same; I hate you all." Authoritarianism in equal doces for all citizens is still authoritarian.
*Obviously pro-life liberals are not under the blanket assumption I made above.
useless
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Given that you think the simple act of taxation is akin to violently attacking someone, I think it's clear that your interpretation of what is authoritarian is very....
Loose.
Loose.
