FEB 10TH: Day of action against Scientology

If it did, would you be seeing fireworks going off everywhere on the planet and little Ewoks dancing? ;)

Yes. There'd be scenes of various cities like New York, Paris, Coruscant. And then the ghostly image of Yoda and Obiwan will appear outside smiling. Then Hayden Christiensen would also appear as a ghostly image and I'd yell "WHO THE HELL IS THAT? THAT IS NOT THE ANAKIN FROM THE ORIGINAL MOVIE! Unless... this ISN'T THE ORIGINAL MOVIE!"

And that's how I threw out my Star Wars box set.
 
Associated Press

Wow, envelopes filled with fake white powder.

These internet nerds are hardcore.

Snore.
 
Associated Press

Wow, envelopes filled with fake white powder.

These internet nerds are hardcore.

Snore.
The internet nerds deny being behind that, and suspect the CoS of doing it to themselves to elicit sympathy. Wouldn't surprise me. Look up Dead Agenting and Fair Game.
 
Nephrite posted on an Internet forum for a computer game:

Sure, because posting on a game forum is totally like what these guys are doing...

You're not one of them are you?
 
This is all very exciting to be honest. I've heard a lot about this Anonymous and their ability to wreak havoc on peoples lives. I'll be most impressed if Anon actually contributes to the downfall of Scientology.

You can't really bring about the downfall of a religious idea. Since Scientology isn't just a website on the internet they can hack it's website till the cows come home and they'd still have their real world offices. I don't think protests are going to stop business as usual either, but at least those are legal.

I think they're just being silly risking hefty jailtime trying to eradicate something that isn't going to go away
 
You can't really bring about the downfall of a religious idea. Since Scientology isn't just a website on the internet they can hack it's website till the cows come home and they'd still have their real world offices. I don't think protests are going to stop business as usual either, but at least those are legal.

I think they're just being silly risking hefty jailtime trying to eradicate something that isn't going to go away

Of course Scientology is not a religious idea. The only thing Scientology has in common with religion is its ever present desires to silence those who do not agree with it. Otherwise it is a cult that is determined to undermine governments and society, which is why Scientology has been expelled from Germany.
 
Of course Scientology is not a religious idea. The only thing Scientology has in common with religion is its ever present desires to silence those who do not agree with it. Otherwise it is a cult that is determined to undermine governments and society, which is why Scientology has been expelled from Germany.

presumably Scientologists believe things and these would be their religious ideas. and like it or not they have a right to assembly just like everyone else. I think there are plenty of stupid groups, but they all have the right to exist without being harassed and subject to DOS attacks. This is the essence of the first amendment if we start banning unpopular ideas then what's the point of it?
 
presumably Scientologists believe things and these would be their religious ideas. and like it or not they have a right to assembly just like everyone else. I think there are plenty of stupid groups, but they all have the right to exist without being harassed and subject to DOS attacks. This is the essence of the first amendment if we start banning unpopular ideas then what's the point of it?

The Constitution only applies to the government.

Pulling the 1st Amendment on a group of protesters is silly.
They have a right to protest them as much as they have a right to advertise their business.

Scientology delenda est!
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/news

The Church of Scientology Centre in Queen Victoria Street, London. Photograph: Sarah Lee

On one side is the Church of Scientology, freshly boosted by a $10m donation from the actor Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson.

On the other is what the self-styled church has dismissed as a "pathetic" collection of "computer geeks": a maverick band of hackers who have launched an online war against the organisation.

The hackers were infuriated by the removal from YouTube last month of a Scientologists' video clip featuring Tom Cruise. They have alleged that Scientologists forced YouTube to remove the embarrassing footage, in which the actor hailed the religion as "a blast".

Cruise claimed: "We are the authorities on getting people off drugs, we are the authorities on the mind, we are the authorities on improving conditions ... we can rehabilitate criminals ... we can bring peace and unite communities."

Yet the church has appeared powerless to stop the online sabotage. Guerrilla action has so far included the temporary disabling of its international website and "Google bombing", a manipulation of the search engine which has resulted in the website being the first result returned by Google when users type "dangerous cult". Scientology's UK website has been unavailable and in the US the FBI were investigating what they said was the hoax dispatch of white powder in envelopes to 19 churches in the Los Angeles area.

Meanwhile, the intensity of the battle shows no signs of easing. A day of free speech protests have been planned outside Scientology centres around the world next Sunday, with campaigners mobilising on Facebook and YouTube.

Protesters are vowing to picket buildings in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh and York on the British leg of the day of direct action, three weeks after a group of internet activists called Anonymous vowed to destroy the movement.

They said they were opposed to Scientologists' "speech-suppression tactics", which they claim include "frivolous" lawsuits and the use of copyright and trademark laws to silence free speech.

An Anonymous video posted on YouTube about the anti-Scientology campaign - called "Project Chanology" - has been watched more than 1.7m times. Protest sites against Scientology have also proliferated. Two Facebook groups have more than 3,500 members. A British organiser claims more than 1,000 people will join the UK demonstrations on February 10, with protests also planned in dozens of American cities and around the world, including Toronto, Vancouver, Oslo, Sydney, Melbourne and Dublin.

"I don't want them to get a foothold in the UK the same way as they have in other countries," said one demonstration organiser, a 21-year-old student who asked to remain anonymous in keeping with the protesters' aims. "They claim to be a church and a religion but they charge people to attend their sessions and they are a registered trademark - that doesn't strike anyone as a religion."

The organiser described the protesters as mainly a "youth movement" drawn from all walks of life. "At the start this was a hacker operation but it is more than that now. Scientologists say it's just a bunch of hacker geeks but that's going to be proved wrong on February 10."

In a series of warm-up rallies on Saturday, 100 people gathered outside a Scientology centre in Orlando carrying signs saying "Knowledge is Free". In the UK, half-a-dozen protesters leafleted shoppers and brandished a banner reading "Scientology Sucks" in Manchester.

Scientologists have fought back by hiring a specialist internet company to help defend its website. In the US, a Scientology spokesperson dismissed the campaigners as a "pathetic" group of "geeks".

But they played down the conflict yesterday. "We don't get into responding to such threats on the internet, particularly anonymous ones," said Janet Laveau, a spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology in Britain.

Laveau said the online publication by hackers of the Cruise video had caused a surge of interest in the movement. Presenting "these selective and out-of-context excerpts with the intent of creating both controversy and ridicule nevertheless resulted in people searching for and visiting Church of Scientology websites," she said. "Those wishing to find out the Church of Scientology's views and to gain context of the video have the right to search official Church websites." In a US statement, the organisation said it did not threaten websites for posting the Cruise video.

But Scientologists have previously mounted legal challenges against other internet publishers. A 10-year legal campaign against a Dutch writer, Karin Spaink, and a number of internet service providers ended in defeat for the Scientologists in court in the Netherlands in 2005. Spaink and others had posted documents from a disaffected former Scientologist that were claimed to be the secretive official teachings.

According to Andreas Heldal-Lund, a free-speech campaigner from Norway and critic of Scientology, the "war" has been won by internet activists - with the wide dispersal of negative publicity about Scientology. Heldal-Lund welcomed the demonstrations but condemned the sabotage of Scientology websites.

"One of the biggest arguments against Scientology is they are a threat to free speech and here they can say people are hitting back at their free speech. It ruins our argument."
 
The funny thing about Anonymous is that I don't think they really have a leader or a command hierarchy that gives out the orders. How do you put down a group with no leader or command structure of any sort?
 
Well even though they are anon, there will be people who post more than others?
 
The funny thing about Anonymous is that I don't think they really have a leader or a command hierarchy that gives out the orders. How do you put down a group with no leader or command structure of any sort?
Invade Iraq?

:dunno:
 
The funny thing about Anonymous is that I don't think they really have a leader or a command hierarchy that gives out the orders. How do you put down a group with no leader or command structure of any sort?

You don't need to; a group of that nature is inherantly unstable. Come the end of Febuary they'll be back to laughing at cats having inflicted a couple superficial wounds on the CoS then lost interest.
 
Sure, because posting on a game forum is totally like what these guys are doing...
You accused them of being "nerds" and "fat spotty geeks" (interestingly very similar to the official Scientology response). If you want to have a debate about the ethics of their methods, if that's what you're now referring to, without resorting to insults that cover anyone with an interest in computers, then please do so.

They're nerds and fat spotty geeks who have already got mainstream media coverage regarding Scientology, which seems more productive to me than playing or talking about computer games.

You're not one of them are you?
One of who? I'm nothing to do with organising this protest, no.

Honestly, whilst I don't condone DoS attacks, Scientology hardly has the moral high ground, and I'm surprised at the level of defence they seem to be getting here.

Scientologists - you're not one of them are you?
 
This is the essence of the first amendment if we start banning unpopular ideas then what's the point of it?
As if the Church of Scientology care about free speech!

Yes, there is a valid point in here - by resorting to intimidating attacks, it could be argued that they are guilty of similar things that Scientology is. But I think they've got a long way to go. Plus, there's an argument about letting Scientologists have a taste of their own medicine...
 
You can't really bring about the downfall of a religious idea. Since Scientology isn't just a website on the internet they can hack it's website till the cows come home and they'd still have their real world offices. I don't think protests are going to stop business as usual either, but at least those are legal.

I think they're just being silly risking hefty jailtime trying to eradicate something that isn't going to go away

One thing they're doing is getting everyone talking about how ******** Scientology is.

Hopefully that will convince some Scientologists-to-be not to join up.
 
The Constitution only applies to the government.

Pulling the 1st Amendment on a group of protesters is silly.
They have a right to protest them as much as they have a right to advertise their business.

Scientology delenda est!

I agree they have the right to protest, but i don't believe we should expel scientology from the US like he implied we should do.


As if the Church of Scientology care about free speech!

Yes, there is a valid point in here - by resorting to intimidating attacks, it could be argued that they are guilty of similar things that Scientology is. But I think they've got a long way to go. Plus, there's an argument about letting Scientologists have a taste of their own medicine...

if there are members of scientology that have committed crimes then i wholeheartedly believe they should be punished, but being a crazy jerk isn't illegal.

One thing they're doing is getting everyone talking about how ******** Scientology is.

Hopefully that will convince some Scientologists-to-be not to join up.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but generally when you attack someone's religion they become even more dedicated to it. So I see this as an opportunity for them to become even stronger while they played the martyr card.
 
if there are members of scientology that have committed crimes then i wholeheartedly believe they should be punished, but being a crazy jerk isn't illegal.
Things don't have to be against the law for them to be a target of criticism or protest. Though yes, I agree it shouldn't be banned just because we disagree with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology#Controversies has some info on the sorts of things that many are concerned about.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but generally when you attack someone's religion they become even more dedicated to it. So I see this as an opportunity for them to become even stronger while they played the martyr card.
The followers, yes, but the point is raising awareness to everyone else. But yes, there is always the danger, as with any religious cult, they get to play the martyr card.
 
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